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Old 02-28-2021, 08:00 PM
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Default Likely HOFer without a rookie card
I may have posted this some time back but it continues to bother me as a HOF collector.

Everyone has to have at least one rookie card by default, right? Wrong.

Carlos Beltran had a HOF career and despite his involvement in scandal likely will eventually be voted in. But his rookie card depicts another player, one Juan Lebron. Seems Topps mixed these two young Latin prospects up, as Lebron's card depicts .. wait for it … Beltran.

To me, it's hard to call either a RC. I mean who the hell wants a rookie card depicting another player, or a card depicting a player but with someone else's name.

You can't make this up. So what's a collector to do?
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1995 SP Top Prospects - [Base] #111 - Carlos Beltran
Courtesy of COMC.com

Beltran's first year in the majors was 1998, with 63 plate appearances, so if you don't like prospect cards, go with a 1998 card.

1998 Leaf Rookies & Stars - [Base] #323 - Carlos Beltran
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I settled on the prospects card, but not happy with it.
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1999 finest is a pretty nice alternative
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1999 finest is a pretty nice alternative
Nice card but on what theory?
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Nice card but on what theory?
1999 is his actual rookie season. The card depicts Beltran and says rookie on it. If you don’t like that prospect card.
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I wouldn’t worry about Beltran getting in the hall of fame until Trammel, Grich and Rolen do, once those 3 are in Beltran might have a chance based on WAR, as far as outfielders And the eye test I would think dale Murphy, Joe Carter and Dwight Evans would get in long before Beltran.
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Beltran was a stud in the postseason I think that is the push he needs to get in. Not a first year but I do believe he gets the votes he needs over time.
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I wouldn’t worry about Beltran getting in the hall of fame until Trammel, Grich and Rolen do, once those 3 are in Beltran might have a chance based on WAR, as far as outfielders And the eye test I would think dale Murphy, Joe Carter and Dwight Evans would get in long before Beltran.
Trammell was elected to the HOF in 2018.
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I wouldn’t worry about Beltran getting in the hall of fame until Trammel, Grich and Rolen do, once those 3 are in Beltran might have a chance based on WAR, as far as outfielders And the eye test I would think dale Murphy, Joe Carter and Dwight Evans would get in long before Beltran.
I can't disagree on Evans (67.1 WAR), but Beltran's career WAR (70.1) is higher than Murphy and Carter COMBINED (46.5 + 19.6 = 66.1).

Interestingly enough, if you look up Carter's "Most similar batter" on Baseball Reference, the #1 match is Murphy (Carter is #2 on Murphy's list).
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Also from 1995 and in a MLB licensed set, Topps/Bowman made the same mistake with their Bowman’s Best mirror image card w/Juan Gonzalez, identified as Juan LeBron but picturing Carlos Beltran in a different pose.

Also, using the now ever-popular First Bowman Card designation in the upper left-hand corner of the card, Beltran appears with correct photo in the 1997 Bowman set, certainly a better option than either 1998 or 1999 IMHO.
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