Lelands Auction- Mathewson 1898 team photo

[YankeeCollector]

Anyone here win this item?

I was the high bidder until 3:52 am. I was certain I had won this 1898 Honesdale BAseball club team photo which included Mathewson.

Has anyone ever seen this before?

Thanks

[Preece1]

I don't think it was from 1898.

[YankeeCollector]

Originally Posted by Preece1

I don't think it was from 1898.

are you saying an item from a major auction house was questionable?

[Bicem]

what about it concerns you Patrick?

[Preece1]

I have acquired some photos over the last year or so and am still really getting up to speed. But, something just doesn't look right to me. I was hoping some of the photo experts could chime in here.

[prewarsports]

I can second what Patrick is saying. It is a "type 2 photo" if you want to use that terminology (which I dont like by the way). That type of photo paper was not used in 1898. I would say it was probably produced during Matty's lifetime but not in 1898, more likely about 1915 would be my guess. Still a cool item but if it cost the buyer more than a few hundred bucks it was probably too much but hey, I overpay for things I want all the time so that is subjective, but I would value it around $200-$300 at the most.

[YankeeCollector]

Originally Posted by prewarsports

I can second what Patrick is saying. It is a "type 2 photo" if you want to use that terminology (which I dont like by the way). That type of photo paper was not used in 1898. I would say it was probably produced during Matty's lifetime but not in 1898, more likely about 1915 would be my guess. Still a cool item but if it cost the buyer more than a few hundred bucks it was probably too much but hey, I overpay for things I want all the time so that is subjective, but I would value it around $200-$300 at the most.

It went for $5500+ with buyers premium. wow. The description was vague but I was wondering why it wasn't authenticated.

[bbcard1]

Personally, I'm saving up for this beauty in a future auction...I can't be sure, but isn't that Ty Cobb beside Matty...what makes it tough to recognize them is that they are both wearing "shower caps."

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by prewarsports

I can second what Patrick is saying. It is a "type 2 photo" if you want to use that terminology (which I dont like by the way). That type of photo paper was not used in 1898. I would say it was probably produced during Matty's lifetime but not in 1898, more likely about 1915 would be my guess. Still a cool item but if it cost the buyer more than a few hundred bucks it was probably too much but hey, I overpay for things I want all the time so that is subjective, but I would value it around $200-$300 at the most.

After looking at it, I agree 100%.

I like Lelands and probably win more things from them then any other auction house I bid on..........but you really have to do your research with their photographic offerings.

This is not a unique occurrence...................with them or any sports auction house I know of in regards to vintage photos. The same research that's put into cards and other memorabilia, doesn't seem to be put into vintage photos.

[bcbgcbrcb]

That's Joe Jackson not Ty Cobb

[HRBAKER]

And that's the Matty "White Cap, Black Box" variation.

[bbcard1]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

That's Joe Jackson not Ty Cobb

Pantless Joe Jackson?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

And that's the Matty "White Cap, Black Box" variation.

I could have done without the "black box"....been there done that . More discussion at the National dinner, after many beers, on that topic.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Leon

I could have done without the "black box"....been there done that . More discussion at the National dinner, after many beers, on that topic.

Looking forward to it!