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Originally Posted by timn1
I think everybody recognizes his uniqueness - I certainly do. And that's the basis of his appeal to collectors. I've never disputed any of that. But as you acknowledge, that doesn't necessarily equate to greatness, and my comments have been intended to maintain that distinction rather than letting it get blurred.
Just FYI, here are some of the team records of Ryan and his contemporaries.
Ryan's teams with his decisions: 2062-2010.5064
without his decisions 1738-1718.5029
He improved his teams' Win PCT by .0035
Carlton's teams with his decisions: 1789-1578.5313
without his decisions 1460-1334.5225
He improved his teams' Win PCT by .0078
Jenkins's teams with his decisions: 1441-1405.5063
without his decisions 1157-1179.4952
He improved his teams' Win PCT by .0110
Palmer's teams with his decisions: 1756-1242.5857
without his decisions 1488-1090.5772
He improved his teams' Win PCT by .0085
Seaver's teams with his decisions: 1592-1584.5013
without his decisions 1281-1379.4816
He improved his teams' Win PCT by .0197
Blyleven's teams with his decisions: 1592-1584.5013
without his decisions 1281-1379.4816
He improved his teams' Win PCT by .0197
Sutton's teams with his decisions: 1918-1662.5358
without his decisions 1594-1406.5313
He improved his teams' Win PCT by .0045
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That is a really useless way to evaluate a pitcher's value to a team. Actually, it's more useless than wins, which is also a useless stat.