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Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie
Bob, I'm confused. What are Bryan and you guys saying? It's Evers and Chance and a bartender? A random fan, that looks kind of like Tinker? They cheers-ed up a picture and LOTG sold it as a Cubs photo 90 years later? I'm glad to be wrong. Someone with more bona fides than me can back me up.
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Hey Rob,
In looking back at the original photo sold by LOTG, it does appear that the person supposed to be Tinker doesn't quite as well resemble other period photos of Joe Tinker as much as other period photos of Evers and Chance match the images of them in the LOTG photo. And now with the addition of the 1923 photo of the trio, again, the image of Tinker doesn't quite as well match up with his supposed image in the LOTG photo. It seems possible that may just be someone other than Tinker in that LOTG photo, but as of now, no true proof, just speculation.
I am surprised to now see a known 1923 photo of the trio that Dave posted, as that belies the notion that the three were very unlikely to have gotten together for a photo in the early 1920s. Still, the image of Tinker in the 1923 photo looks to be older (and much heavier in the face and especially the neck) than the supposed image of Tinker in the LOTG photo. Now based on EddieP's comment about the wide ties becoming popular in 1924, that new photo of the trio from 1923 appears to coincide with that observation as it definitely shows Tinker and Evers in skinnier ties. So, if the timeline for that fashion change is correct, you'd not expect Tinker to look so much older in the 1923 photo than his supposed image in the LOTG photo. Also, in that 1923 photo Tinker looks to be about the same height as Evers, which he supposedly was at 5'9. I know the camera angle and perspective can be misleading, but in the LOTG photo, Evers is definitely taller than the person supposed to be Tinker. When you look at the 1923 photo, you can look at the top edge of the row of seats behind Tinker and Evers to get a better perspective. Take a look at the angle or line created by the top of the seats behind them, and compare that to the angle or line from the tops of Tinker's and Evers' left ears. Now go back to the LOTG photo and look at how the tops of their ears match up. Unfortunately you can't see Evers' left ear in this photo, and the person supposed to be Tinker has their head tilted to their right, but you can still see that the top of Evers' right ear and the top of the supposed Tinker's left ear, don't make sense to them being the same height. I know that people's ears are not always symmetrical and exactly the same height and location on both sides of their face, but that would seem to be too coincidental for that to be a significant and relevant factor in this instance. It is very confusing to say the least.
The one factor we know for certain is that Chance passed in September of 1924, so the LOTG photo had to have been taken before then. If that is Joe Tinker or a doppelganger of his in the LOTG photo, I'm not 100% sure either way. I'm still slightly leaning toward it not being him in the LOTG photo though. And as to who it might be if it is not Joe Tinker, your guess is as good as mine.