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Originally Posted by packs
I'm still shaky on this burden of proof that seems to exist for some people (David Ortiz / Jeff Bagwell / Mike Piazza) but not others. Roger Clemens didn't exactly get "caught" cheating but is there a question about whether he was? How about Barry Bonds? Do you need a deposition to know he cheated?
Why the wishy-washy attitude toward guys like Bagwell, Piazza, Ivan Rodriguez and David Ortiz? In my opinion it is quite obvious they all cheated the same way McGwire and Sosa did.
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I don't think Ortiz is obvious the way McGwire, Bonds and Sosa were. Ortiz was never cut... even as a young player, he was a bit plump. And he still looks the same as he did when playing. McGwire, Sosa, Bonds.... they physically changed and if you look at McGwire now, he looks like he shrunk. Bonds' hat sizes increased two sizes. That's not normal. Did Ortiz' stats improve from his time in Minnesota as a young player? Yes, but how much of that was maturation as a player and being given a chance to play full-time? He apparently tested positive for something, but who knows what it was? There were a lot of substances were on the list but were meaningless... and his numbers continued to improve after that test and more stringent testing was put into place. Meanwhile BALCO swirled around McGwire, Bonds and Sosa... I forget the deal with Clemens but didn't someone report that he was sticking needles in his butt (I could be confusing that with someone else)?