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Originally Posted by Topps206

Stieb had the highest WAR of any pitcher in the 1980s. Not a Hall of Famer, but Jack Morris gets more love than he deserves.

Saberhagen falls just shy because he didn't win that magical third Cy Young. He was third in 1994 behind Maddux and Ken Hill.

Dahlen is not only better than a lot of his contemporaries in, but judging by Sabermetrics he very well could be a top ten shortstop of all time.

Oh yeah, both of those pitchers are very good. I specifically mentioned them because I know they've gotten some HOF consideration from people who think they should be in. My point in naming them was that those are a couple of guys who I think could get some consideration the more the standards are lowered.

I should add, too, that I don't necessarily believe that putting Dahlen himself in lowers the standards. I think the standards have already been lowered. My main issue with Dahlen is that for someone that's had so many chances to get in, I think it gets a little ridiculous to keep looking at them. Many different voters have had a look at Dahlen (and others) over the course of history and if he's not in by now, I almost think the Hall gets cheapened by guys getting chance after chance.

For me, it's not so much that he doesn't deserve to be in. I've read some really convincing arguments on him and it wouldn't bother me if he got in. It's that he's had so many chances and has never made it.