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Originally Posted by bobbvc
Back middle is Fred Clarke, Next to Wagner is Abbatichio. Guy in back next to Dots Miller is unknown, most likely local fisherman or guide. I have a companion photo which I've posted asking some of these same questions. Will try to locate it again.
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If you want, you can see the old 2009 thread at
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=112788. It surely is the same fishing trip. I've posted 2 photos of Fred Clarke below left, the face in question from the current thread erroneously claimed to be Lobert (below 2nd from right), and the same guy from the photo from the 2009 thread below far right. Not only is he not Lobert, he is with certainty not Fred Clarke.
In the 2009 thread I wasn't sure. Back then I didn't have enough good images handy in order to make a case. Now I do.
For reasons similar to those given for Lobert, it is not possible for this guy to be Clarke. While a higher res scan of the 2 faces in question would help, the differences in nose, jaw structure and surface of the chin are substantial. For example, Clarke has a distinct horizontal crease (mentolabial groove) across his chin about 3/4" below his lower lip. It is located at the bottom of the shadow below his lower lip. The man in question has a similar feature, but it appears to be much closer to his lower lip (I believe that hi-res scans would show this even more clearly). Also Clarke has a very wide mandible - that's easy to see in the image 2nd from left. The man in question does not. Those are just a couple of points that can be made. Overall these are highly dissimilar faces.