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Originally Posted by Volod
Just wondering - how were the Lummis cards issued? Were they attached to the product? Sold via mail-in request? The 1951 MLAS card was only obtained by special request made to Topps. That alone, in my view, would indicate that the Topps card is probably far rarer.
I have to wonder how a hobbyist in 1951 would even have become aware that the 11-card set of MLAS contained three non-issued rarities. Probably not by going into a mom&pop store and buying 100 wax packs and finding dozens of the eight commons and none of the other three. It was only later that highly knowledgable hobby vets received inside information about the Roberts, Konstanty and Stanky cards, and were able to request them from Topps. At least, that has been my understanding.
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Steve - To me, this is the crux of the argument. No one knows much, at all, about the Lummis cards. Their stickered-counterparts in Sealtest are widely available...but the Lummis cards seem to be exceptionally rare. As I mentioned earlier, I've heard of less than a dozen examples from the entire set trading hands over the last decade. I'm sure some trade privately, but you can't find Lummis cards readily available anywhere -- add in a HOF rookie card to boot, for both Ashburn and Roberts, and it is a significant rarity.
I do think the MLAS is the rarer of the two, but I also tend to believe there's less than ten examples of Roberts / Ashburn in the hobby-
Marc