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Posted By: bruce dorskindWe've had a very good June thus far, adding 16 type cards (psa 7,8 and a blazing 9) to an ever growing collection We're even looking for some super high upgrades. Non Hall of famers welcomed Here's your chance to sell a few top cards, quietly, safely and wthout any hassles. Please write to me directly bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com Bruce TypeCondition T 3PSA 7 or PSA 8 T 200PSA 6 and above T 204PSA 8 T 205PSA 8 T207PSA 8 T 208PSA 6 and above T 210PSA 7 or PSA 8 T 214PSA 6 and above T 216PSA 7 or PSA 8 E 92PSA 7 E 93PSA 8 E 95PSA 7 and above E 96-98PSA 6 and above E99-E100PSA 6 and above E 120PSa 8 or 9 E 121, 200PSA 7 and above E 300PSA 7 and PSA 8 R 300PSA 6 and above R 305 Tatoo OribitPSA 8 or PSA 9

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Posted By: Brian"We've had a very good June thus far, adding 16 type cards (psa 7,8 and a blazing 9) to an ever growing collection" Sure would be nice if you shared scans...

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Posted By: Brian C Danielsas there are more than one person involved. anyone can drop names of dealers and auction houses. Hell even I have been in Copeland's Sporting Goods store.

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Posted By: David VarghaI hear that America's Toughest Want List is currently reneging on purchase deals that aren't even that big that were made before the original post on this thread. Interesting way to run a business . . . DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: Wesley"Here's your chance to sell a few top cards, quietly, safely and wthout any hassles." LOL

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Posted By: Tony AndreaYes, but they would have to respond to your emails for a quiet, safe no hassle deal to take place. To be honest with you, I wont deal with them now, since they havent returned my email when asked what my asking prices were. A reply takes only a minute. My opinion, if using this board for business purposes as they are, do it with better customer service techniques than what has been shown.

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Posted By: JimBHe complained a few months ago that nobody posts high-grade cards on this site. I didn't see scans of his June purchases in the June pick-up thread. JimB

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Posted By: leonI still want to know who "we" is? Maybe it's me, myself, and I, which equals we?

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Posted By: cmokingJimB wrote: " I didn't see scans of his June purchases in the June pick-up thread." That's because he reneges on purchase commitments he's made. How can he post scans of cards if he doesn't even buy them after he's agreed to? Is that a controversial statement? If so, following the rules of this site, for the record, my name is King Yao.

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Posted By: scott brockelmanI contacted them with a card on their wantlist, a 1 of 1 and they replied they would have to see based on some sales if they could do it. they never emailed again? Scott

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Posted By: Colt McClellandI also had a scketchy "almost" transaction with "them." In my opinion, this guy is just trolling this board trying to either pick stuff up for a steal, or possibly flip something really quick if he can find a buyer and a seller at the same time. Can anyone provide a positive feedback for this guy on a transaction?

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Posted By: Tony AndreaWell, "Americas Toughest Want List" must read the board regularly. After posting along with a few others about his strange business techniques, just received an email stating, "Will Pass". I agree with Colt here. Just a troller looking for a steal, but not really willing to give what market is asking for real toughies. I think all on this board are smarter than that and wont fall for his way of business.

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Posted By: yankeefan51 Dear Tony: I did not respond initially to you after one day. I was away for the day. I responded when I returned home. Whilst I appreciated your unsolicited offer I thought your price of $3450 for a non-HOF E-92 was too high. I am not trying to "steal anything "and assume you are not interested in Highway Robbery. It seems odd that if someone offers a price on the Board and someone makes a lower counter offer and a deal is not consumated that the conclusion is someone is "trolling." In this particular case, I did not believe that I could make you a counter offer which would be acceptable, so I did not do so. I have sold a number of duplicate cards on the Board and there are number of cards that I offered where the counter-offer was too low. My expectation is that when you offer a card at a fixed price, there is a reasonable chance that someone will make you a counter-offer at a lower price. Sometimes that results in a transaction and sometimes it does not. To assume in a market that is very thin and not liquid with very few transactions on a particular card in a particular grade, that anyone who turns the seller down is being unreasonable or attempting to steal a card is not appropriate. One need look no further than E-Bay or recent results from Mastro Auctions to see signficant price variance (both up and down) on a number of different high grade E, T and R cards. Thanks again for offering me the card. Good luck in selling it at your price. Bruce

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Posted By: BrianI hope the personal and physical issues are resolved Bruce, that way your team can get back in the game. Still waiting for you to share some scans...

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Posted By: cmokingBruce, I'll give you a chance to explain your situation with me. Here's my side of the story, what's yours? ---- I offered Bruce a E95 Bill Carrigan SGC 84 card. We agred on $1600. This was on June 10th, and he told me a check would be mailed on June 11th. About 10 days go by, and I get no check. Upon emailing him, I am told he has personal issues and needs about a week to make a decision on buying my card. I allow him that time. On June 30th, he emails me back saying his personal issues will stop him from selling, trading or buying, and he renegged on the Carrigan. I bought the story. I thought 'ok, the guy has some personal issues'. It turns out that the posts on this thread shows this behavoir is typical! I'll refrain from posting in this thread again because I don't want to get more perturbed than I am now. But Bruce, keep in mind, I will be there in the future, letting people know the story. Good luck! edited to add: I almost forgot about this part. On June 27, Bruce offered a 1933 DeLong Al Simmons PSA 7 in the N54 BST pages. I was interested in the card, and the last sale on ebay by my records was for $1600. I think Bruce may have been the winner. Anyway, I thought this was a perfect card for me to trade for since they were both around the same price level. I emailed Bruce seeing if he would do that swap. I thought if he had personal issues, trading would make it easier for him. As I mentioned earlier, on June 30th, he emails me back saying his personal issues will stop him from selling, trading or buying.

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Posted By: WesleyDo you also have an explanation for committing to a deal, stringing the seller along for a month, and, then, finally reneging on the deal?

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Posted By: BcDyou'll find the answer to that in his ambiguous post about needing to sell stuff through Copeland's due to a personal issue. The issue is called DIVORCE! He claimed to have purchased a Matty Boston Garter for plane tickets for four that I think he stated cost $1400 or so and then selling it for $64,000. The sale was far more important then the aquisition of the card......or was it his ex-wife's acquisition of the proceeds! <a href="http://www.collectorsquest.com/video/index.php?playvid=12" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.collectorsquest.com/video/index.php?playvid=12</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.collectorsquest.com/video/index.php?playvid=12</a</a>> watch this for a laugh! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: Paul MossTo say that I am shocked over what has transpired would be an understatement. This certainly is an unfortunate situation. I believe that we just witnessed a million dollars worth of self-promotion and carefully mastered image destroyed over the inability to cough up 1600 bucks. It's all very well to have "America's Toughest Wantlist", but it will remain just that, an unfulfilled list of "wants" if the ability to maintain this image is lacking. I'm from the old school, a deal is a deal, and a man's word is his bond. Where is the rest of the "Group" to bail Mr. Dorskind out of this position? Are they illusionary? Is this "We" business a sort of royal "We", where kings and queens always refer to themselves in the plural? I am indeed confused. Those of us who know King Yao, are aware that he is held in great respect among the collecting community, and there is absolutely no reason to doubt anything he has stated on this board as being anything but 100% accurate and truthful. Mr. Dorskin stated that the card market is thin and illiquid. It is certainly thin in comparison to trading on the NYSE, but not so thin as to cause a collector to scratch his head and wonder how he'll ever sell his cards. A couple of phone calls or emails, and I'd have half a dozen people banging at my front door waving cash to get in. The same could be said for very many here on this board in regard to their holdings. The dinosaur days of waiting for SCD to appear in the mailbox and writing to the dealers begging them to take an interest in one's humble collection have gone with the wind. We live in a new world, the internet has relegated that world to the trash heap, thank God! Ebay, oh yes! Who needs the brick and mortar dealer anymore? Who needs the vultures waving bundles of cash waiting to descend on the unsuspecting? We have liquidity in the market through this venue and other internet options. We have chatrooms where information is exchanged and broadcast to many at speeds incomprehensible just a few years ago. Cards can be exchanged and payment can be made within microseconds. That does not translate to being illiquid, au contraire, it reinforces the strength of the market and makes it healthy for all participants. Sure, there will be variances in pricing in such a dynamic market, but so what, that is what a truly free market is all about. Of course, in a similar fashion, information regarding inappropriate practices of businesses and individuals is also shared at lightening speed, and it is wise to always keep this in mind for those who are inclined to cross the line. If this market is so thin, then the only thing thinner is a reputation, and if one chooses to interact in the business on an ongoing basis, you'd better be like Caesar's wife....beyond reproach. Mr Dorskind was quick to respond to the post of Tony Andea regarding his "unsolicited" offer of the E92, yet I see that the E92s are specifically mentioned in the wantlist above, so how can this be considered unsolicited? I fail to comprehend. Nevertheless, the delay in responding to Mr. Yao's posts only add greater mystery to this unfolding drama. As my title stated, a few observations, and all I can say is that when one wants to run with the big dogs, you'd better have the balls to match. If you want to play the bigshot, that's fine, more power to you and I wish you well, but you don't worry about what has transpired in the market in the past, you MAKE the market by stepping up to the plate by paying record prices. Never get outbid on ebay, that is the greatest advertizing you could possibly get and your rep as bigshot would blossom in short order. Do that, and there's no need to promote yourself, I mean your "group", Still, after this episode, it's a moot point. The illusion is shattered.

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Posted By: BcDto OWN a bunch of stock in The new York Times. What does that tell you! and nobody messes with King anymore....no body! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> and Tony,you have E-92's again? more of them!

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Posted By: warshawlawnot a person I wish to associate with. No judgment on business ethics or lack thereof, just a matter of personalities.

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Posted By: Bottom of the NinthIn my email exchanges with him over the last month, and as recent as this morning, it is obvious the voices in his head are no longer able to be controlled. I am pretty sure that he may no longer be responsible for his actions.

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Posted By: BcDhe does not own the Cobb SGC 96 you refer to. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: Jeff LichtmanJim, most importantly - how do I get that Chase from your collection into mine?

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Posted By: JimBJeff, It is pretty happy in my collection at the moment. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> JimB

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Posted By: BcDit's crying out to be in mine but thankfully it is not on "America's most impoverish's want list" <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: B.C.Dcomplaint filed <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: B.C.Dif you're 420 friendly all is forgiven. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> how are you doing with that law suit against Greg? I see he is still in business as of today.Is the clock ticking? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: Bottom of the NinthGreg, Gonna have to party foul this one...best regards.....now don't make me.....

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Posted By: leonthe first locked BST thread....history was made....please take this to private emails and even more please...don't send them to me <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> moderator dude