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jackwesq 06-30-2024 02:40 PM

1909 T206 Ollie Pickering
 
Hi everyone. Apologies if this is already [well] known, but this is a great story.

Definition of a Texas Leaguer

Texas Leaguer dates back to 1901, when a rookie named Ollie Pickering made his debut for the Cleveland Blues (the franchise that would later become the Indians). Pickering had become a legend as a Minor Leaguer in the Texas League, and he was immediately placed atop Cleveland's lineup when he was called up -- he even holds the honor of taking the first at-bat in the history of the American League.

Pickering proceeded to have one of the most fortunate starts to his career imaginable, as his first seven plate appearances all resulted in bloop singles. His teammates decided to name the play after him, and it's stuck ever since.

I think I need to go and pick up a 1909 T206 Ollie Pickering.

Kawika 06-30-2024 03:01 PM

Used to own his E107. Didn't know his story. An interesting tale. Wish I'd have kept the card.https://photos.imageevent.com/kawika...0Pickering.jpg

RUKen 06-30-2024 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jackwesq (Post 2444692)
Hi everyone. Apologies if this is already [well] known, but this is a great story.

Texas Leaguer dates back to 1901, when a rookie named Ollie Pickering made his debut for the Cleveland Blues (the franchise that would later become the Indians). Pickering had become a legend as a Minor Leaguer in the Texas League, and he was immediately placed atop Cleveland's lineup when he was called up -- he even holds the honor of taking the first at-bat in the history of the American League.

Pickering proceeded to have one of the most fortunate starts to his career imaginable, as his first seven plate appearances all resulted in bloop singles. His teammates decided to name the play after him, and it's stuck ever since.

Like many great stories, this one is probably apocryphal. Ollie Pickering was not a rookie in 1901 and he did not debut for Cleveland that season; he had played 109 games for Louisville in 1896/97 and 46 games for the Cleveland Spiders in 1897. He played in the Western League in 1898 and 1899, and for Cleveland of the American (minor) League in 1900. He was 1-for-4 on Opening Day for Cleveland in 1901 (when the American League had claimed major league status), and 0-for-1 with two walks in the second game.

Pickering's Texas League experience occurred during the seasons 1892 and 1895. He played in the Virginia League in 1896, before debuting with Louisville of the National League that same season on August 9th. He was 1-for-4 in his first game for the Colonels. I do not know if he had seven bloop hits in a row at some point that season, but if he had, why would that type of hit have been named for the Texas League, since Pickering had come to Louisville from the Virginia League?

peterb69 07-01-2024 05:59 AM

I believe May 21 1892 Pickering was signed by Houston of the Texas League and debuted that night where he went 7 for 7, all bloop singles. There was no outfield fence so outfielders tended to play deeper. I believe this game coined the phrase Texas Leaguer.
But he was the first batter for the upstart AL which I did not know.

T206Collector 07-01-2024 07:05 AM

Pickering
 
Always looking for excuses to post my custom "Signature Collection" Pickering...

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3c72cbf4_c.jpg

RUKen 07-01-2024 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by peterb69 (Post 2444798)
I believe May 21 1892 Pickering was signed by Houston of the Texas League and debuted that night where he went 7 for 7, all bloop singles. There was no outfield fence so outfielders tended to play deeper. I believe this game coined the phrase Texas Leaguer.
But he was the first batter for the upstart AL which I did not know.

Thanks for that input. May 21st was not Pickering's first game with Houston, but on that date he did go 7-for-7. The only newspaper description that I found did not confirm that his hits were bloop singles, but that game is almost certainly the reason that the term "Texas Leaguers" is connected with Pickering.

Edited to add: I take back that Pickering's 7-for-7 game is the likely inspiration for the term "Texas Leaguer". See my next post.

RUKen 07-01-2024 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RUKen (Post 2444816)
Thanks for that input. May 21st was not Pickering's first game with Houston, but on that date he did go 7-for-7. The only newspaper description that I found did not confirm that his hits were bloop singles, but that game is almost certainly the reason that the term "Texas Leaguers" is connected with Pickering.

Edited to add: I take back that Pickering's 7-for-7 game is the likely inspiration for the term "Texas Leaguer". See my next post.

OK; I just found an article from the San Francisco Call and Post dated April 8, 1892, six weeks prior to Pickering's 7-for-7 game. The paragraph is headed "Texas Leaguers Defined", and states:

"Harris' men got but six hits off Harper, and half of these were what is known to the profession as Texas leaguers, but why so called is beyond the ken of mortal man. If a batted ball drops between the in and out field in such a way that neither can get it they call the hit a Texas leaguer, which is perhaps as good a name as any."

So--the Pickering association is apocryphal.

brianp-beme 07-01-2024 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RUKen (Post 2444892)
OK; I just found an article from the San Francisco Call and Post dated April 8, 1892, six weeks prior to Pickering's 7-for-7 game. The paragraph is headed "Texas Leaguers Defined", and states:

"Harris' men got but six hits off Harper, and half of these were what is known to the profession as Texas leaguers, but why so called is beyond the ken of mortal man. If a batted ball drops between the in and out field in such a way that neither can get it they call the hit a Texas leaguer, which is perhaps as good a name as any."

So--the Pickering association is apocryphal.

Nice article find. Perhaps Pickering's great day at the plate just helped further popularize and cement the phrase into the baseball lexicon.

Brian

molenick 07-01-2024 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kawika (Post 2444694)
Used to own his E107. Didn't know his story. An interesting tale. Wish I'd have kept the card.

Is it better or worse that another Net54er has this as his E107 type card? (I know my scan is worse.)

Casey2296 07-01-2024 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by brianp-beme (Post 2444923)
Nice article find. Perhaps Pickering's great day at the plate just helped further popularize and cement the phrase into the baseball lexicon.

Brian

+1

Kawika 07-02-2024 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by molenick (Post 2445007)
Is it better or worse that another Net54er has this as his E107 type card? (I know my scan is worse.)

Not sure what you're asking as to what's better or worse but looks like you picked up the card I consigned to LOTG a couple of years back. A right smart looking card.

brianp-beme 07-02-2024 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kawika (Post 2445145)
Not sure what you're asking as to what's better or worse but looks like you picked up the card I consigned to LOTG a couple of years back. A right smart looking card.

I believe molenick blooped a textbook Texas Leaguer when pickering up your former card as an E107 type for his collection.


Whereas, by the looks of it, I must have williams my E107 type card into existence with the aid of catcher's interference.

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Brian (even for me that was pretty painful)

molenick 07-02-2024 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kawika (Post 2445145)
Not sure what you're asking as to what's better or worse but looks like you picked up the card I consigned to LOTG a couple of years back. A right smart looking card.

Yeah, I'm not sure what I was asking. And I would guess it's common for cards to circulate among Net54 users.

The problem is you just can't post something, it makes you type in a comment and you have to think of something to write!

Kawika 07-03-2024 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by brianp-beme (Post 2445154)
I believe molenick blooped a textbook Texas Leaguer when pickering up your former card as an E107 type for his collection.


Whereas, by the looks of it, I must have williams my E107 type card into existence with the aid of catcher's interference.

It's all starting to make sense.

brianp-beme 07-03-2024 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kawika (Post 2445227)
It's all starting to make sense.

I did have to knock the stuffing out of myself to make my contribution make even a little bit of sense.


I happily serve as a poster child for your tagline...

Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about.


Brian


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