T206 harder commons list please ?
 

Just started trying to put together T206 set going to start with 'commons ... is there a list for more difficult commons?
Are portraits always more money ?
If a player has a portrait only and another has an action card only which player is perceived to have been a better ballplayer?
Any tidbits will help .. bored of collecting 40s 50s 60s so here goes T206 I guess
Cheers
Bryan

Scott Reader's T206 Insider site lists the scarcity rank of each card in T206, with the most common card (Cobb red portrait) as #524, and the rarest card (Doyle NY Nat'l) as #1. Here is a link to a checklist of all the cards ranked by scarcity:

http://www.t206insider.com/store/c1/...=field_30|desc

Scott's "Inside T206" is an invaluable resource if you're just getting into the set, as is T206resource.com.

http://t206resource.com/Images/Publi...al-edition.pdf

http://t206resource.com/index.html

Hi Bryan - Leaving things like the SP rarities of Doyle/Magie/St. Louis Demmitt/O'Hara out, the Elberfeld WAS Port./Dahlen Brooklyn are at the top. Dahlen's more like a star but I'm talking non-HOFs here.

The six horizontals are all more than standard commons, with Pelty being the priciest.

Durham, Titus, Tenney, Frank Smith CHI/BOS, Ames Hands at Chest, Adkins, Rhoades Arm Extended, and Puttman are well-known more expensive/tougher ones. Donlin Seated is often cited but PSA has actually graded significantly fewer of his fielding card. And of course all of the Southern Leaguers are mostly lightly-regarded players but not sold as commons.

There's a slew of probably a couple dozen others that could be cited as a little tougher than normal. That list above isn't comprehensive and I could even be leaving a bigger one out. Here are some older threads:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=219324
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=156223&page=3

Good stuff and thank you ...i checked out the linx much appreciated

Can someone post a working link or post the checklist for the 200 scare commons that was previously found in Scot Reader's book? The Centennial edition of his book does not have the checklist.

VI. Difficulty Rankings

Reported below are difficulty rankings for the 200 most difficult T206 subjects and all
Hall of Fame subjects compiled based on weighted PSA Population Report population
totals as of January 2006. Rather than taking raw population totals as a measure of a
subject's difficulty, totals were weighted by grade and price prior to rank assignment.
Totals were grade-weighted since a lower GPA in the PSA Population Report means
that a subject is more difficult. Totals were price-weighted to account for the stronger
economic incentives to submit higher priced subjects for grading due to, for example,
costs associated with PSA submissions and market value increases achievable through
such submissions. Price weightings are based on t206museum.com base prices with
adjustments made by the author based on recent pricing trends.

The difficulty rank is a numerical ranking that directly follows from weighted
population totals (wherein "1" is assigned to the most difficult subject under this
methodology). An overall ranking is provided to represent the subject's difficult
ranking within the set as a whole, and a ranking within series is also provided.

Subject Overall
Cobb (Ty Cobb Back) 1
J. Doyle (N.Y. Nat'l) 2
Wagner (Pittsburg) 3
Plank 4
O'Hara (St. Louis) 5
Demmitt (St. Louis) 6
Magie 7
Elberfeld (Wash. Port.) 8
Lundgren (Chicago) 9
Smith (Chicago & Boston) 10
Persons 11
Cranston 12
Foster 13
Mullaney 14
Revelle 15
Hart (Little Rock) 16
Manion 17
Ellam 18
Smith (Shreveport) 19
Ryan 20
Lafitte 21
Howard (Savannah) 22
Shaughnessy 23
Smith (Atlanta) 24
Fritz 25
Molesworth 26
Coles 27
Paige 28
Bay 29
Reagan 30
Dahlen (Brooklyn) 31
Kiernan 32
Stark 33
Lipe 34
Otey 35
Breitenstein 36
Jordan (Atlanta) 37
Hickman 38
J. Doyle (N.Y.) 39
Lentz 40
Perdue 41
Brown (Washington) 42
Bastian 43
Thronton 44
Bernhard 45
Violat 46
Guiheen 47
Helm 48
Greminger 49
Hooker 50
King 51
Miller (Dallas) 52
Orth 53
McCauley 54
Hart (Montgomery) 55
Rockenfeld 56
Seitz 57
White (Houston) 58
Kleinow (Boston) 59
Schulte (Front View) 60
Carey 61
Ganley 62
Thebo 63
Ames (Hands at Chest) 64
Evers (Cubs on Shirt) 65
Donlin (Fielding) 66
O'Neil 67
Cobb (Green Portrait) 68
Reulbach (Glove Shows) 69
G. Brown (Chicago) 70
Adkins 71
Lundgren (Kansas City) 72
Burch (Batting) 73
Westlake 74
Rhoades (Right Arm Out) 75
Smith (Chic. White Cap) 76
Latham 77
Konetchy (Glove High) 78
Pattee 79
Conroy (Fielding) 80
Schaefer (Detroit) 81
Shaw (St. Louis) 82
Pelty (Horizontal) 83
Brown (Portrait) 84
Nichols 85
Needham 86
Dahlen (Boston) 87
Thielman 88
Puttman 89
Magee (Portrait) 90
Dessau 91
Gibson 92
Doyle (Throwing) 93
Mitchell (Toronto) 94
Jones (Hands on Hips) 95
Kleinow (N.Y. Catching) 96
Steinfeldt (Portrait) 97
Ball (Cleveland) 98
Graham (Boston) 99
Wiltse (Portrait with Cap) 100
Leifield (Batting) 101
Arndt 102
Poland 103
Oakes 104
Willis (Pittsburg) 105
Phelps 106
Hahn 107
Hall 108
Young (Minneapolis) 109
Tinker (Hands on Knees) 110
McLean 111
Stahl (Glove Shows) 112
McGann 113
Mullin (With Bat) 114
Schirm 115
Lobert 116
Donovan (Portrait) 117
Kling 118
Willis (St. Louis with Bat) 119
Tinker (Bat On) 120
Spencer 121
Frill 122
Manning (Pitching) 123
Taylor 124
Howard (Chicago) 125
Bowerman 126
Dooin 127
Karger 128
Knight (Portrait) 129
Malarkey 130
Williams 131
Powers 132
Doolin 133
Overall (Hands at Waist) 134
Tinker (Portrait) 135
Rudolph 136
Pickering 137
Moran 138
Evers (Portrait) 139
Ferris 140
McGinley 141
Cobb (Bat On) 142
Pelty (Vertical) 143
Hinchman (Cleveland) 144
Leach (Portrait) 145
Shaw (Providence) 146
O'Hara (New York) 147
Camnitz (Arm at Side) 148
Jones (St. Louis) 149
Pfeister (Throwing) 150
Overall (Portrait) 151
Kruger 152
Brown (Cubs on Shirt) 153
Bransfield 154
Bescher (Hands High) 155
Merritt 156
Titus 157
Schlafly 158
Ewing 159
Dubuc 160
Jordan (Portrait) 161
Abbaticchio (Blue Sleeves) 162
Tannehill (Washington) 163
Mathewson (White Cap) 164
Clancy 165
Jones (Chicago Portrait) 166
Merkle (Portrait) 167
Merkle (Throwing) 168
Rucker (Portrait) 169
Bender (With Trees) 170
Schlei (Portrait) 171
Wiltse (Portrait No Cap) 172
Thomas 173
Lajoie (With Bat) 174
Steinfeldt (With Bat) 175
Ritchey 176
Ford 177
Mullen 178
Flick 179
Crawford (With Bat) 180
Myers (Batting) 181
Hoffman (Providence) 182
Hofman 183
Gilbert 184
Sullivan 185
Herzog (Boston) 186
Mullin (Throwing) 187
Knabe 188
Hemphill 189
Mathewson (Portrait) 190
Beaumont 191
Lake (New York) 192
Schulte (Back View) 193
Clarke (Cleveland) 194
Lindaman 195
Clarke (Portrait) 196
Marquard (Follow Thru) 197
Armbruster 198
Wilhelm (With Bat) 199
Randall 200

Thank you for the help, Paul. From your collecting experience, do you believe the ranking is still fairly accurate, in regards to general availability?

I think it's fair in most regards. For instance, I think these 10 are tougher than most:

Ewing
Lindaman
Lobert
Knight (Portrait)
Howard (Chicago)
Bowerman
Adkins
Ames Hands at Chest
Thielman
Puttman

However, I am often purchasing Knabes and Leifields to make custom "Signature Collection" cards, which pair those T206 cards with the player's authentic signature. I never have a problem finding one of these at a reasonable price. Leifield pitching has been much harder for me to find, and I think that's because it is one of the most beautiful cards in the set and people collect it. Knabe is not a great card aesthetically, and so maybe that's why is is easy to purchase.

This might help a little. I did a combined pop for PSA and SGC graded T206's a little over a year ago ranking them from lowest to highest.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=344281

Thank you very much for replying. Your list is very helpful and informative.

This kind of information (like Pat R) is very helpful to me. Stats are one thing but, when able to locate one in very good+ shape can be a whole different story, regardless of what the numbers may say. At least that I am what I am finding. It also helps to narrow one's focus (temporarily) a little better.

Toughest
 

Thanks for the list Paul. This is from Scot's book? Been a while since I read it - but I don't remember seeing this. (Different versions?)

A couple things that I find surprising -

Demmitt & OHara are "tougher" than Magie.

Dahlen Brooklyn isn't with the other short prints (or Browne Washington).

J Doyle NY - I think there's a reason - that supposedly a lot of these were bought up and altered to have Nat'l - but they were discovered by the FBI (or other law enforcement) and destroyed. Is this just industry lore or is there truth to it?

Molesworth, Ryan, Violat and Revelle always seem to be tougher SLers to me. Aside from Shag which is just pricey.

O'Brien isn't on the list - but he always seems to be one of the tougher commons.

Quite a few of the cubbies on the list too - I thought that was just Whipple buying them up.