1,364 different m113 & m114 Baseball Magazine supplements
 

I'm finally getting a chance to go thru my supplements. In case anybody cares, I now have 957 different m113 and m114 supplements in my collection, here are most of them :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/douggo...57692457124881

Always looking for more...

Doug

So Doug, I guess that monsterous scorecard collection wasn’t enough for you?

Rob M

Ha! I still need to scan lots of those, too.

I just added the m113 supplements, and the 1957 posters, and a couple others.

957 different, now.

7 left to scan.

Truly an epic collection, Doug! Wow!! :eek::cool:

Great stuff Doug!! That WaJo arm and 1915 Matty are two of my favorites!

That arm might be my favorite, too.

A very long time ago I picked up a hard coverd ledger that was used as a scrapbook. Inside was filied with baseball magazine photos taken from the inside covers. Period was mid 1930's full of classic Conlan images. Many of these same pictures were used for the premiums. I have always liked the large format premiums and have a Lajoie framed on my wall. Congrats on a great collection.

Thank you.

There is another thread titled "Hobby terms that annoy you" on net54, one of the things that annoys me the most, although it doesn't really fit in that thread, is people who sell the inside cover pictures as "supplements".

But what can you do?

Received 4 new ones in the mail today, so up to 961 (which is really 968 once I get 7 more scans done).

Doug

Wow Doug amazing

This is just AMAZING!!! Doug, I had just written an article for the SABR blog connecting the horrid 1943 MP & Company cartoon images to their M114 photo sources. I originally had to leave my article incomplete since I couldn't find a Lou Novikoff M114 anywhere online. On a tip I found your site and of course the Novikoff.

Full article is here in case you're curious: https://sabrbaseballcards.blog/2019/...ery-79-solved/

Doug those are amazing. Do you have your scorecards where they can be viewed.

Congratulations on a fantastic collection!

Thank you Mike & Jason.

Much of my "stuff" is on my flickr site / page / account, or whatever you kidz would call it.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/douggo...57692457124881

Doug

Doug I have been lost in your photos for several days now, thanks for sharing!

Thank you, and you are welcome. I have a few more I need to post that I have recently picked up.

Among them is my newest Speaker M113, the one that isn't trimmed on the top and bottom. The scans make it look like the picture is a different size, which it isn't. Note that the printing under the pictures are different.

Doug

cool!
 

Wonderful collection. Really great. Stilll, Police Gazette Rules!

I have 96 of the 113 Police Gazette supplements...

LOL Bam, there's that too... :eek::cool:

not surprised!
 

Everyone with a collection that this one should show them off now and then.
It's a public service.

Insane collection, very impressive Doug!

As with any collection, the longer you look for new additions, the less frequently you find them, and the more complicated they get to acquire.

There is one on ebay right now that I need, but it's part of a large-ish group that the seller won't breakup and his price is easily double their value. Oh well, I'll keep watching... If any of you buy that group of 30 with the Gehrig, there are 5 that I would like to buy / trade from you.

I did manage to add a new m113 this last week of "Bullet" Joe Bush, note the different print fonts, showing that Bush was printed two different times.

Doug


PS - as a public service (insert smiley face here) you can see my Police Gazette supplements / pages / covers at :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/douggo...57612083822426

Very, very impressive Doug. Although I am a little miffed/thrilled/frustrated/happy/discouraged/excited to see that there are two Mantles and two Yankee team pictures with Mantle. I have one of each and now must look for the other two. Thanks!??!!??

In regards to the Police Gazette, the attached is the only one I have. Do you know if they issued any with a full page photo of Mantle inside? The one I have has a full page photo of the "Date of the Month" and a boxer.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but there are three different Mantles...

And, if you want to get really nit-picky, the #6 pose has versions with the picture higher and lower on the page. But that might just be me being stupid.

Doug

Thanks. I missed the last one somehow. Looks like I have to add another item on my list of things to look for.

On the last page I think is where you had a second "6" pose. I couldn't tell the difference between that and the first one. So, the difference is the location of the picture on the page? That is an easy fix, just "conserve" the tops and bottoms as needed to make them the same. :eek::D

Unfortunately, I think we went to the same school and had the same lessons. Another item to add to my list.

Thanks again for the info!!

Love that Walter Johnson Supplement. It states he throws the ball 122ft/sec. That equals only 83 mph. He must have throw it harder than that or he would be considered "slow " today.

OT, but you can imagine that the methods used to measure Walter Johnson's fastball were shaky at best. WaJo likely threw in the mid-high 90's from all accounts.
WaJo himself commented that Smoky Joe Wood threw faster at his peak.
Amos Rusie "The Hoosier Thunderbolt" likely was extremely fast as well based on all accounts.

FYI, fastball measurement didn't really get sophisticated until the 1970's when the aerospace industry used radar to gain more accurate measurement.

In 1974, aerospace industry leader Rockwell Intl. used their accurate radar equipment to measure Nolan Ryan's fastball. Measurement of speed was calculated as the ball passed the plate, not out in front of the mound like today's measurement. For the record, Nolan Ryan's fastball was clocked at 100.9 MPH which is still the record in the Guinness Book of Sports Records.

Doug:

Sorry to be joining the conversation late. As always, your collection is eye-popping. And I still insist that your collecting the minor typographical variations is nuts. But in a good way. But really, nobody on the planet has a basic set of M114. And you're shooting for a MASTER set?

I haven't picked up anything new in some time. A combination of laziness and tight finances. But there's always tomorrow...

And if anyone has any inside information about the set that they'd like to share, you have my blessing to revive a thread I started a couple of years ago. I'm still looking for someone who has new additions to the woefully incomplete checklist provided by the SCD Master Catalogue.

Hi Alan -

A pleasure to hear from you, and perfect timing :

The catalog has one listing for Joseph Moore, but today I received a second version, and it's not a goofy font variation that nobody really cares about but me, it's a completely different picture.

There's a bit of a story behind it, to be filed under "good things come to those who wait" or possibly "don't stress, there is always going to be another one".

There is a seller on ebay who has a group of 30 m114s that he has had listed for months. There were 5 in the grouping that I am interested in, and I have made him multiple offers starting with fair, and later better than fair, but he doesn't want to split up the group. The Moore "portrait version" is in the group, and I had never seen it before, so I has understandably anxious to acquire it, but not by purchasing the entire (highly) overpriced group.

Then, another one popped up a week or so ago, I made a fair offer and now I have added it to my collection.

With 13 others I have picked up recently, this one puts me at 1,052 different m113 / m114 issues.

Doug "hey collectibles_1, I still want 4 from your group of 30" Goodman

Very interesting about the Joe Moore variation. The checklist I use (which is not based on the SCD Catalogue checklist, but rather on a much older list that ran in Baseball Card News in the 80's) shows two entries for Joe Moore, for 1936 and 1954. I have the swinging bat version and it makes perfect sense for 1936, as many of the other posters released that year use a similar pose (Baseball Magazine often released their posters with the same or similar type of pose in a given year). 1954 for the second pose makes absolutely no sense, as Moore was out of the majors by the start of WWII. That second pose is one I may have seen here and there, but I didn't pick it up because I may have believed that I already had it. It very much resembles the poses used for Luke Appling and Mel Ott in their only M114 entries. Both of those date from the mid 30's as well.

Hard to say why Baseball Magazine would have replaced the one pose with the other, especially since both poses clearly date from within a few years of one another. No team change, as Moore spent his entire career with the Giants.

So, the 1954 entry for Moore is clearly a mistake. A typo for 1934, perhaps? All in all, just another illustration of how so much of this set makes little sense, and also of how little we really know about it.

Alan

Further on Mr. Moore - on the VERY DAY I read Doug's account of the Moore variation, I was (naturally) motivated to search through Ebay for M114's - something I hadn't taken the time to do in some time. Wouldn't you know it - someone else had the Moore variation for sale, as well as three others that I needed! The price was a bit high, but after trading offers and counteroffers, I got the lot for a somewhat reasonable price.

I guess it shows that you should NEVER give up the search. And I guess it means, as we approach this year's holiday season, the true message of wisdom and life philosophy is - we should really, really spend MORE time on Ebay!

I guess I'm not much of a philosopher...

Alan

Congrats to whoever just sniped me on the Newcombe portrait variation. I thought I had put in a crazy high bid with 8 seconds remaining, and you beat me fair and square.

Doug

Very impressive display; I enjoyed flipping through the pages!

A couple of completely new ones from ebay...

I'm now up to 1,087 different supplements.

Doug

Man those can get addictive! My two favorites are the Rip Collins and Bob Feller with Yankee Stadium in the back round. That's the same pose of the 48 Bowman and that's my favorite Feller card. Have the Feller signed and looking for a Rip Collins signed.
Sent some out to get autographed thru the years but being oversized was somewhat of a problem.
Thanks for the posting.

Incredible

Got a completely new one today, thank you ebay.

Buhl now joins Joe Adcock as the only ones with the weird "cut and paste" when doing that involved actual glue.

This one is #1,101

#1,102 showed up today. It's a variation of one that I already have, but it's still a pretty good one.

Doug

Doug I saw that you ised Itoya portfolios to store / display your large format items. Last werkI I ordered 3 of different sizes 18x24, 14x17 , 8.5 x11 and I am very happy with them, and will order more this week. The largest is great for storing old Rock posters that have been rooled up in tubes in my closet for 40 years. ( damm I am getting old) the middle size holds a wide variety of items and will most likely be what I use most. The smaller is great for older scorecards. So just a shout out of thanks for the heads up.
J

You're welcome.

#1,108
 

Thank you ebay for sending me #1,108.

I already had this picture of Ruth batting for the Red Sox, but the first one credited the photo to International Newsreel, the one that arrived today credits C.M. Conlon.

The search continues,
Doug

Inspired to look for variations!
 

I was inspired by this thread to look for differences in the M113/M114 posters that I collect. Sure enough, I found a "NY" vs. "New York" variation on the 1948 Cleveland Indians Team Poster. I'm sure this variation was already known to others, but I was unaware. I had the "NY" version and picked up the "New York" version this month. Now I'm looking for more!

And now I have added the NY version to my want list. which remains at 31 m113s and 58 m114s because today I received #1,121 courtesy of ebay, and it's a completely new one...

For those of you who care, I just posted details of the nearly 250 players who I have multiple printing variations for in the m113 & m114 set(s) :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/douggo...57714517102288


Also, here is the vast majority of my partial "set" :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/douggo...57692457124881


If anybody knows of other issued supplements, or variations, I would be interested in obtaining them from you, but even if you have no interest in selling / trading / giving me the ones you have, I would still be very interested in getting a good quality scan.

Doug

m113 / m114 updates
 

I just finished sorting and scanning the 1,149 different m113 & m114 issues that I own.

They are posted on flickr :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/douggo...57692457124881

I also created closeup views of the 250, or so, that have print variations :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/douggo...57714517102288

The catalog of known (by myself and Alan Kleinberger) m113 & m114 supplements now totals 1,237.

Doug

Congrats on the new addition Doug! One more down....on to the next one.

Still find it interesting with all the different fonts/bold/semi bold variation. Thanks for sharing the close ups!

Thank you Gary.


I added #1,152 today.

A new Rube Marquard.

An m113, which is always nice, especially with a new picture, and the caption is completely different.

Doug,
Out of curiosity, when you are looking at new offerings of supplements for sale, what percentage would you guess are already represented in your accumulation / known catalog vs. those that are previously-unknown variations? Seems like the new additions are slowing, but still coming up somewhat regularly. I'm just hoping that the slowdown is a result of the catalog filling out rather than your enthusiasm waning!

Awesome endeavor, great stuff Doug!

More than 98% for sure, maybe even more than 99%.

My enthusiasm certainly hasn't waned, but the availability of "new" ones has.

Doug

A woman on an m114
 

I discovered an interesting bit of trivia today, while listing some of my duplicate m114s on ebay.

The 1929 National League Champion Chicago Cubs have a woman in their team picture. Sitting between team president Bill Veeck and owner William Wrigley Jr is "Miss Donohue (secretary)".

She's the only woman in any of the team pictures that I own, so there is a chance that she's the only woman on a Baseball Magazine supplement...

#1,156 - Stan Musial
 

I got a new Stan Musial today, the photo isn't new, but two different credits for that photo is.

Doug,
 

Outstanding collection. Thanks for sharing. Haven’t seen many of those before. Very cool!

Thank you sir. The fun part for me is that I haven't seen any of them before either!

Wow these are just fantastic. I went through a part of it through my lunch break from work.... really enjoyed seeing them!

Ricky Y

#1,157 - Pee Wee Reese
 

It's a big day for my collection, first up the DC version of Pee Wee Reese...

#1,158 - George Sisler
 

There are two photos for George Sisler, and I have both of them, but one of them didn't have a photo credit, and now I have a version with a Conlon credit.

#1,170 - Clem Labine
 

I'll skip the other 11 new ones I picked up that are just different variations of the captions, they will be on my flickr site soon, but this is my last new one today, and it's pretty cool.

The SCD catalog lists Clem Labine as having two supplements, one issued in 1952 and the other issued in 1957 (which would have a DC credit).

Based on this, I had assumed the picture that I have with him in his stretch would date to 1952, due to the New York credit, and I have been looking for his DC issue.

But, today I received a supplement picturing him in his follow thru with a New York credit, so I have added a third Clem Labine supplement to the catalog that Alan and I have put together based on our own lists and the SCD (currently listing 1,257 different m113 / m114s), while still looking for the DC release.

Awesome new additions, Doug. Looks like you have a nice hot streak going on! Keep it up!

#1,172 - Rizzuto - double L version
 

There are two different Phil Rizzuto m114 photos (a portrait and an action shot), and all issues (that I am aware of) use his full first name.

I have 5 caption variations of the action shot where Philip is spelled with one "L", and today I received my second caption version of the two "L" Phillip.

The portrait version is spelled with one "L" and I am aware of only one caption.

The hunt continues...

#1,185 - 1,187 - 3 new DC supplements
 

Big mail day for me today.

I received three new 8 1/2 X 11 inch DC issued supplements that I previously hadn't seen :

Johnny Kucks
Rip Repulski
Bob Rush

These were all listed in the catalog.

#1200
 

It's somehow fitting, even though we aren't related, that Baseball Magazine supplement #1200 in my collection is a caption variation of Bill Goodman.

#1214
 

With thanks to a board member, a variation of the m113 Joe Jackson

m114 #1215 & #1216
 

The mailman ended my year with these ebay buys.

A third variation of each of the 1946 Cards and Red Sox teams.

Fantastic!
 

What a great way to end your collecting year. Congrats on some nice variation pickups!

m114 #1,217
 

The mailman started my year with this ebay buy.

A third variation of the New York version Wagner.

#1,221
 

From ebay, a new "Home Run" Baker m113

#1222
 

I picked up a new caption version (#5) of the Musial swinging a bat m114.

Only problem is, it's "autographed".

I'm not really an autograph guy, and much prefer if this m114 wasn't written on, because the signature doesn't look right to me, do you any of you guys have an opinion?

Thanx,
Doug

#1,227 !!!!
 

HUGE mail day today!

I met a guy on ebay (sounds like the Kinks song, but his name wasn't Lola)..,

Traded some m101-1 supplements for these :

1914 Cubs (20 X 13)
1915 Phillies (22 X 14)
1914 Tigers (18 1/2 X 13 1/2)
1914 Yankees (20 X 12)

He had picked them up in a recent Heritage auction (which I had somehow missed, and where I stole the scans from).

These things are f'n spectacularly beautiful.

Those are great Doug. Congrats!

I love the M101-1’s, I never see them mentioned on the board except by me (and now you!).

Great pick ips Doug. Always loved Baseball Magazine teams and they hardly ever turn up.

I’ve enjoyed going through this thread from time to time and now considering jumping in.

What is the best way to store these? What sleeves, if any do you recommend?

Thanks,

BC

All of mine are in Itoya presentation books.

https://itoya.com/products/presentat...-art-profolio/

9 X 12 for the m114s

18 X 24 for the m113s

Miss Donahue is also pictured in the 1929 Chicago tribune supplement.

Thanks Doug!

The thing that always seemed a bit weird to me about that is that they are different pictures, but the look to have been taken during the same "shoot".

Note the placement of coach Jimmy Burke's hands (middle row far left) and the direction that Chick Tolson is looking (second from right, front row).

Amazing collection Doug, Do you by chance have a pic of an offering or coupon page used to obtain these posters?

Thanks, Bob

Sorry, I do not. I have contemplated going through my Baseball Magazine collection to find all the ads and figure out if I can improve on the "catalog" but I haven't ever gotten around to it.

My offer to you for m113s is still open...

Doug

Wow!! Good stuff. Will have to look what I have burried away frm the old Hunt and Lipset auctions from decades ago.

After Bob's question, I have done some digging and have started a new thread to discuss it :

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...04#post2069004

#1,230
 

With special thanks to Wheatland Auctions and to Uncle Jimmy, I received two new team variations in the mail today.

Doug

#1,231
 

Picked up a font variation on the first of the three different Mantle photos used in the m114 set from ebay last week. Bummed that I missed out on a Cobb from the same seller. Oh well, on with the hunt...