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Posted By: <b>Peter Calderon</b><p>Just in case there were any lingering thoughts that maybe the "Skydash" collection wasn't 100% legit... <br /><br /><img src="http://www.caramel-cards.com/e270_thorpe.jpg"><br /><br /><br />...and MUCH more to follow.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Trevor Hocking</b><p>I would like to say WOW That is an AMAZING thing!!!!!!!<br /><br />Congrats to Mastro for getting that amazing collection. I am sure it will do very very well. I know I will be bidding!!!<br /><br />Trevor Hocking<br />

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Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>Great card! I gotta admit though that I didn't think you could get an 8.5 with the back centering like that. Regardless, it is a great item.<br />-Rhett

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>Plus it has rounded corners, all 27 of them.

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Posted By: <b>John S</b><p>Simply incredible...(drool).

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Mohler</b><p>I see SGC has put a "provenance" label on it, just like Lionel Carter! This must be a great collection. I feel kind of privileged to have witnessed the development of the Skydash saga from his first post asking for the name of a good appraiser to this post. I can't wait to see what other cards will be coming next.<br /><br />What an awesome card!

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Doesn't surprise me. When I first saw the scan I thought it might get a 92.<br /><br />But there's one thing funny here. The label reads "Skydash Collection" but that is not the owner's name, that's a nickname. Using a nickname for provenance is certainly unusual.

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>I wonder if we on the Board are the only ones who know the owner as Skydash? If so that's quite a tribute to those here who helped him out with the collection.

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Posted By: <b>rand</b><p>i dont know much about "chips" cards. what is this card's value? would this be the most valuable in his group? tx

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Posted By: <b>Eric</b><p>Very, very cool.<br /><br />Maybe the reason for using "Skydash Collection" as the designation, has to do with him wanting to keep his name anonymous. I know I would want the same thing in this case, instead of using my real name in the collection.

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Posted By: <b>Eric</b><p>I want to add:<br /><br />Protection from people looking for money, people trying to look up personal information on you, etc.<br /><br />Nickname all the way.

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>is all I can say...........this card will sell for a small to medium midwest house type price I'd say........just a beautiful piece. Was great seeing everything unfold for 'SKYDASH'. I talked with him on the phone for about 45 minutes one day and would say he's a genuinely great guy. Hope this all works out for him and his family. <br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Makes sense, just seems kind of funny. Can't think of any precedent.<br /><br />And I think it will sell for somewhere in the vicinity of 100K, give or take.

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Posted By: <b>Jimmy</b><p>just a great item and story, I look forward to seeing the other cards.<br /><br />interesting that SGC used the Net54 user name and not his real name<br /><br />Jimmy<br />

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>and I love the 'skydash' on the flip.<br /><br />It shows there is a high regard for this board in the hobby.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>That is one great looking card.....thanks for sharing...

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>One observation: how much better does that Thorpe look in an SGC holder with the black background than in a PSA slab?

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Posted By: <b>RC</b><p>It kind of makes a person want to go through your neighbors attics doesn't it?<br /><br />Congrats to Skydash and best wishes on his sales.<br /><br />RC

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Jeff - what? you don't like the floating in a condom look?

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>It sure does look great in that holder. That's some card!

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Posted By: <b>Neal</b><p>Totally AMAZING! CONGRATS TO SKYDASH AND WISH HIM MUCH LUCK!!! WOULD LOVE TOO SEE A FEW MORE EXAMPLES!!!

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Yeah, Josh, can you imagine that Thorpe in a PSA holder sliding all over the place? And then mislabeling it?

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Prizner</b><p>That is going to be one expensive pog! <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>we're gonna need to see more before we are impressed.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Richard Masson</b><p>so let's see the Jackson......

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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>That's a card worthy of the Dorskin Entertainment Group collection.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>Mazel Tov to Skydash. Looking forward to seeing it in catalogs.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz2o0OYjVzU" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz2o0OYjVzU</a>

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Posted By: <b>Ricky Y</b><p>Wow..what a great piece! Congrats to Skydash too! Thorpe never looked better! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Ricky Yo

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Eric, I agree with your theory concerning anonymity but I think it is kind of odd to have "Skydash Collection" instead of "Barney Thomas Collection" since only 54ers know him as skydash. It would be different if he were known around the hobby as skydash but the guy is pretty anonymous, don't you think?

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Posted By: <b>Eric</b><p>Bob....True, True.<br /><br />And a good way to stay anonymous at that.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>quan</b><p>spectacular!...although i find the "skydash" pedigree unnecessary. best of luck $$$.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>WOW! Stunning....we want to see more!<br /><br />Congrats Skydash...one of the alltime great hobby stories unfolded right on our Net54 board.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>I appreciate all the responses. Barry,I agree with your observation.The naming of the collection was done with mixed feelings.The reason behind it has to due with a desire to remain totally anonymous. I would have much rather named it after the individual I got them from,but that wasn't my call. So....."Skydash" it is. I hope more pictures are posted as well.

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Posted By: <b>Richard Masson</b><p>Since Skydash's father in law or grandfather or something put together the collection, they should have pedigreed them with his name.

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Richard,<br /> I think we all agree, family included, that it would be nice to have had the original collectors name on the cards, but it simply wasn't practical. Everyone recognizes the collection as being "Skydash's", and I think that is probably how the original collector would have wanted it. I think he was probably a lot like Carter, Barker, and Bray, in that he collected for the joy of it, not for the value. Be well Brian<br /><br /><br />PS The collection is incredible..... I can't wait for you guys to see it..

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Hi Sky (real name withheld) <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Actually, Skydash has a nice ring to it. It's kind of catchy.

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>Has an interesting ring to it. <br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ed Ivey</b><p>"Skydash" has a nice screenplay ring to it. It could start with the Thorpe sitting on a pile of trash (if I remember the story correctly - at a dump site?). Sunrise barely on the horizon. Cue music (Neil Young would be cool). Close up Thorpe. Twinkle Thorpe's eye with computer animation. Roll opening credits.... How much for the rights sky?

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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Does anyone know why this card is so incredibly rare? I know the overall set is very tough, but this card in particular is impossible. Even if there were only 10 each of the "common" cards in this set, how do you explain the existence of only 2 or 3 Thorpes (and 2 or 3 Jacksons)? Could there really be 8 Thorpes and Jacksons squirrelled away secretly in some of the finest collections?

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Posted By: <b>Paul Kaufman</b><p>How absurd to put a fictitious name on the label. This ranks right up there with PSA's "Mr. X Collection" fiasco. Since when does SGC play a role in protecting someone's identity. I thought they were there to grade/authenticate cards. Would have been much better to leave the name off if it was not possible to put the original collector's name on the label IMHO.

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Posted By: <b>skydash</b><p>Mr. Kaufman,<br /> I can appreciate your position.Every auction house I talked with encouraged me to name this collection due to the large,varied,and remarkable condition of the set.Please don't hold it against me.I was following the advice of people who have been in the hobby most of their lives.

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Posted By: <b>Marc</b><p>I agree, the 'skydash' name ruined it. If I were the original collector, I would be outraged to think all my hard work over the years putting this collection together was forgotten. And to top it off, the credit is given under a fake name in reference to someone who didn't put the collection together in the first place. It was only 'passed' down through the family to someone who is only related by marriage. Just my two cents.... A sad ending to a wonderful story.

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Posted By: <b>Rob Dewolf</b><p>Would anyone like to venture a guess what percentage of board members, if they were to win $10,000 in the lottery, would only complain about the denominations of the bills that were used to pay them off?

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Posted By: <b>Paul Kaufman</b><p>Obviously, the collection is spectacular and will stand on its own. Any future owner could always have the item reholdered without the false name.

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Posted By: <b>RC</b><p>I personally don't mind the Skydash reference. Obviously, anyone who followed the story on Net54 understands the connection. The hope for anonymity is understandable as well, how many of us would want everyone to know that your family just had a huge windfall?<br /><br />As far as the hard work of the original collector being forgotten, I would think that they would be thrilled to know that the collection was saved from the trash, if not for that fact we wouldn't even be having this conversation and a tremendous collection would have been lost forever.<br /><br />Skydash - You don't have to apologize for anything, you saved a lot of "old cardboard" from being destroyed and we as collectors will have the opportunity to view and perhaps purchase a portion of that collection.<br /><br />Thanks, RC

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Posted By: <b>Paul S</b><p>All these strong feelings about the name on the flip? To paraphrase something oftimes ( &lt;-- ain't I Dorskindsian?)said on this forum, "Buy the card, not the (name on the) holder."<br />Congrats Dash!

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Posted By: <b>Bob Pomilla</b><p>Can't help but think, that, if these cards were referered to as the "Joe Smith" collection, gripers would be complaining about the confusion it caused, since everyone knows these as Skydashes cards.<br /><br />Congrats, once again, Skydash.

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Posted By: <b>DMcD</b><p>Skydash: Three Cheers!!! Let's see some more.<br />Rob Dewolf: Right on, dude. Some of you folks really pick your moments.<br />Paul S: Ain't <i>we</i> Dorskindsian?

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Posted By: <b>Rob Dewolf</b><p>"Yeah, we visited the Louvre and saw the Mona Lisa. I hated the frame."

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Posted By: <b>Al Simeone</b><p>Rob,<br />I will take mine in JACKSONS!! FRANKLIN wasnt a president!!!<br />Skydash the best of luck with the collection!I think the only luck you will need is not getting hurt pushing the wheelbarrow to the bank when its finished!!!

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p> Hi Paul and Marc,<br /> Are you really concerned about the name on the top of the holder? Give me a break. I consider the owners of this collection to be friends of mine, and there character is beyond reproach. They are not collectors, and they wish to remain anonymous, so I would appreciate it, if you focused your attention to the cards versus the holders. Be well Brian<br /><br /><br /><br />PS Tin Tops in SGC Holders are Real and spectacular.....

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Posted By: <b>Tim Kindler</b><p>I'm certainly not implying that the Thorpe chip is a fake, by why does it have a pencil drawing look to it? It seems that every other Colgan has an old photograph look to it.???????????? Is it because it is a Tin Top? Just Curious<br />Tim

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Posted By: <b>Paul S</b><p>David -- you are correct, I am first-person-plural challenged!

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Posted By: <b>joe</b><p>Skydash, don't worry you did the right thing with the name. The only other option was no identification, which would have been ok too.<br /><br />Joe<br><br>Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!

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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>Skydash, <br /><br />Smart move to remain in the backround. You would have "cousins" you didn't know coming out of the woodwork. <br /><br /><br />Marc,<br /><br />&lt;&lt;If I were the original collector, I would be outraged &gt;&gt;<br /><br /><br />Marc, if you were the original collector, you would be DEAD! Sorry to be morbid, but the original collector no longer has any thoughts or feelings on this subject. Putting his real name on the shell would only lead to publicity the family doesn't want.

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Posted By: <b>Ken W.</b><p>I agree, Tim. Looks different than other Colgans I've seen - less photographic.

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Posted By: <b>skydash</b><p>The reason the card looks different is due to the lack of a usable picture at the time.The picture was airbrushed using a larger picture as a model.There are actually 4 cards in this collection that look like this one!

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Posted By: <b>Chris</b><p>Is this from the 1912 set or the ones distributed from 1909-11? I thought the ones from 1912 had this particular back.

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Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>Barry,<br /><br />Does the following comment have anything to do with nicknames on slab labels:<br /><br />"Can't think of any precedent."<br /><br />Do you remember the "Mr. X" collection? Wasn't that PSA?<br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>The Mr X collection was graded by PSA.<br /><br />These two situations are a little different. Skydash wants his name left out simply for privacy reasons.<br /><br />Mr. X, on the other hand, didn't want to reveal his identity, but the seller was hoping to get a premium for the cards based on the fact that they belonged to some unnamed celebrity.

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Posted By: <b>brian</b><p>after the IRS mailed a tax bill to the guy who caught the Bonds ball the very next day, who would want to give their name upon declaring a find? It's a different matter after a sale, but even then government tax collecting is a lot like stormtrooping and thuggery. Illegals don't mind sneaking in because they know they won't have to pay any taxes. If you venture into immigration forums though, you'll find a lot of legal immigrants not even considering living in the USA and even leaving here to live in countries free of tax, such as UAE, Virgin Islands, Bermuda, Bahamas, Caymans, etc.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Brian, why is it thuggery and stormtrooping to tax income? Sounds like the US Tax Code to me.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I hardly doubt the Skydash label is meant to be a tax dodge.<br /><br />He will still receive a check from Mastro, with his name on it, after the sale.

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Posted By: <b>John H.</b><p>I can't believe some of you are quibbling about the name on this collection. Sometimes this group amazes me even when Peter Chaos isn't involved.<br /><br />Now, let's see more pictures of the "Skydash" Collection!!!<br /><br />John

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Posted By: <b>Tim Kindler</b><p>Skydash,<br />Thanks for the interesting information on the airbrushing theory. I learn something new on this board everyday. Good luck with the results of your collection selling. <br /><br />Best Wishes,<br />Tim<br /><br />P.S. I am NOT a long, lost cousin wanting a cut of your earnings!!!

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Posted By: <b>skydash55</b><p>John: I would love to see some more of the pictures myself. Hopefully they'll post some soon.<br />Tim: I'm glad you're not "another" cousin,because I've got a certain"Uncle Sam" who is always taking money out of my back pocket!