Frank chance near mint condition. Help please
 

What is the black lettering bottom right corner. How to tell if this is legit card. Found in safe inside a storage unit ibought. There were 3 t206 cards and 2 big cards like the one is on.

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Here is what I have. Any want to offer anything? They are in mint condition.

Great first two posts - welcome to the Net!

I’ve never seen that exact mark on a baseball card before. However, I have seen similar markings on items owned by museums. Some curators use a system of letters and numbers to mark incoming items as they catalog them.

I’m not saying that’s the case here; however, it was the first thing I thought of when I saw a closeup picture of the black markings on the back/bottom/right of that card.

You think it would devalue it?

Might be from a buyback program


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As they are I think the stamps are suspicious. The fact you found Brown and chance of all players is also suspicious. The fact they are in amazing condition is suspicious (aside from the stamp). I would definitely send them in to a third party for a legit check and grading. Not making any accusations, but it's impossible to tell with those grainy photos if these are legitimate. Finding corners that sharp, raw on a t206 is like 1 in 10,000. My opinion at least.

The “big cards” are T3 Turkey Reds. The most important thing is to assess whether they are genuine or reprints. Generally extremely high grade card “finds” tend to be reprints (although a few exceptions exist). The scans are not clear enough for me to feel confident in rendering an opinion.

I will get better pix. I do believe they are real deal. I'll not dare send them to anyone to get them stolen. I been researching and what I have found is jaw dropping. These appear to be the best in the world. Quality.

Also the yellow chance Is there as well. In equal condition.

Crazy thing is these cards aren't even the real gem in the safe. How about the actual original contract for hank aaron and his bat contract. Not a copy this is the real thing. I feel like it's the only real one thst exists. Even has the hole where his autograph was was taken yo put on the bat. A letter from babe ruth to his school. Real thing.

I like to give the benefit of the doubt, but these are some pretty wild claims. I think you probably found the contents of somebody who got "Coach's Cornered".

Coaches cornered? I don't understand? I promise i have no reason to make this stuff up. And I know the claims may be wild but I'm 100% not lying or bullshitting at all. Humor me a minute if I were to have found something like I described how would I go about selling it? I'm not a collector f sports stuff of course I would like to get as much as possible but the numbers I see are beyond crazy.

Can you post better pics of the cards? To me, at least from those pics, I’d be extremely skeptical. Coloring on both looks muted, centering is perfect which you rarely see. Couple these with the stamp, the overall condition, and the backstory and there’s a high probability they aren’t legit. That said, no one will be able to give you a definitive answer by looking at just those pictures.

Please note - the following is a general statement; I'm not saying this is the case with the cards you've shown.

Museums occasionally write catalog numbers directly on objects in their collection. Presumably, this serves at least two distinct purposes. First, it aids with the processing of an incoming acquisition. Secondly, it serves to identify their property at a later date.

If the cards are genuine, something about which I am not certain, the markings may very well negatively impact their value. Most collectors prefer cards without random markings, everything else being equal.

In a very small number of cases, specific markings have increased the value of a card. The most obvious example of this would be when the player pictured has autographed the card. Other examples include "back stamp" markings from particular (well known) collectors.

If you can, please post clear pictures of your cards. I suggest, at minimum, three pictures of each T206 card:

1. Front of card
2. Closeup of the player's name (from the card front)
3. Back of card

Collectively, Net54 members are exceptionally skilled at authenticating T206 cards. They will be able to tell you if you've posted images of genuine examples. That would be a logical first step in estimating value.

I must say that I am impressed by the reserve that members are showing here. We all know that Bdt’s presentation has all of the hallmarks of fake ignorance regarding reprint cards. It’s just way too easy these days to find out if they are real.

Bdt - just tell us what big city you live near and we will point you to a show where a dealer can show you real T206’s and maybe even some “large cards”. You will have your answer in 5 minutes.

oklahoma

What town in Oklahoma?

City

the reserve? Fake ignorance? Reprints say something along the lines of that on them. R a different date

Yeah there's no town in Oklahoma named "City". Not sure your agenda here

For the slow people. Oklahoma City.

I've never once heard it called City. Good luck on finding out about your cards. My offer to look at them to confirm they are fake for you is off the table.

I don't post often, but I 100% get behind this statement! Well done, net54!

You don’t know how much they’re worth but immediately started fielding offers? How did you find Net54 if you’re not already familiar with baseball card collecting? I’m not trying to be rude; I am just pointing out why you may be met with skepticism.

If you’re completely opposed to mailing them, you could call Beckett and see if they’ll accept an in person drop off and make the 3hr drive to Dallas to get them authenticated.

I would be interested in seeing pictures of the rest of the find

Those MLB marks look like dot matrix printing. Not older than late 1970’s or 80’s…


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I’m also impressed that members are being kind here given the claims.

This was moved from a BST section. Get out the popcorn.
I, too, am impressed with the restraint shown by Net54baseball members.
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I understood what you meant by "Oklahoma City", but that's kind of a rude way to approach this as a new member of an established board.

For what it's worth, cards with razor sharp corners like that draw a bit of skepticism from the git-go. The fronts seem a little fuzzy and washed out, which leads to more skepticism.

Perhaps you could start by posting hi-res scans or non-fuzzy pictures and not answer posts with sarcasm or what ever it is you call that.

Chutzpah perhaps?

I’m sorry, but that’s some funny shit right there! 😂

This thread is entertaining if nothing else. I look forward to the replies on this cold and boring Sunday in NJ.

What town in NJ?


Brian

City (Jersey) ?

I'm on a consignment run in a couple weeks and will be Oklahoma city. Get in touch if you'd like to show them to someone in person.

Oh come on there is a time for being nice and a time for calling reprints ....REPRINTS!
The MLB stamp was clearly placed there to prevent anyone from thinking that they had a pair of real T206's.

"I'll not dare send them to anyone to get them stolen. I been researching and what I have found is jaw dropping. These appear to be the best in the world. Quality"

HAHA

This dude is a clown.

Damn, and we just got rid of a Bigfoot!

For some perspective look at bpt1981 other thread he started with better photos of the Chance T3 Turkey Red. That card also has the date stamp on LRH.

Comedy gold....

Ummm, it’s what exit?


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That was my immediate thought on getting this far ... well played!

Just curious, how is it you know that the small cards are referred to as T206, but are unaware what the big cards are called? They were all issued during the same 3-year period.

You say you've been researching them, but still don't know what the "big cards" are?

[Mark17 shows a bit less restraint than others...]

Haha bingo! … exit 74

I can think of many thousands of reasons.

The only thing missing from his original post was that his uncle has the cards.

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“G’day mate… I believe my old man has a few of these in his garage..”

Impressed or surprised.

Just looked. The T206 are 1000000000000% counterfeit/reprints and there are plenty of others circulating with the “mlb dates” on the back. I didnt need to see the back to know this, but the dates on the back made it even more obvious. The front color clarity/quality gave it away.

Oklahoma
 

In fairness to the poster - within Oklahoma - Oklahoma City is commonly referred to simply as "The City" since there are really only 2 major cities - and The City is enough specificity to eliminate Tulsa.

I am in Oklahoma (just north of "the City") and have offered to take a look at the t206, where I should have enough knowledge to determine if they are real via - blacklight, loupe, smell and feel.

Can't really help with any of the others, though.

Scott - we should hook up when you are in OKC - I have a ginormous pile of 1932 Bulgaria Sport (No Ruth unfortunately), but multiples of most that you may be interested in.

Something Stinks in Denmark.

Grainy pictures of cards with a bizarre dot matrix code on bottom of the cards?

Even if real (which I am not saying they are based on the terrible images) the little added code would kill the grade so you do NOT have the "nicest" examples of these cards by any stretch of the imagination.

They would likely grade AUTH or perhaps a grade of 1.5 to 2 given the added ink on back.

Personally feel we are looking at fake cards and I suspect the person that started the thread already knows this.

This entire thread reads like a real life example of the Fairy tale " The Kings New Clothes " lots of ohhs and ahhhs and dose the mark in back hurt the value. Until the word Reprint shows up....then it's he's a clown Bigfoot of course he knew.
This hobby suffers enough from fraud. How this was not shot down instantly on THIS BOARD..I cannot understand. How would you feel if some local shop owner was shown some of the early posts and bought them?
The Hobby is supposed to be fun and getting clipped is the exact opposite of fun. At least it is here on exit 132 on the NJ parkway.

These were blurry online photos posted by some anonymous new member. Having an item in hand is much different.

If someone has a hobby shop, they should either have the skill/experience to authenticate an incoming item or refrain from buying it.

As for not shooting this down right away, perhaps we're trying to not be the high-horse riding butt-hurt snowflakes Bigfoot accused us of being.

Am I the only one who thinks they might be real? If not, they're decent fakes. :confused:

As for your last point simply refraining from high- horse riding butt hurt snowflake comments should eliminate the issue..not that I have seen you make any..

Hope this helps
J

Correct. I cannot definitively state the cards are reprints from the photos provided. I thought it would helpful to engage the OP, with an eye towards getting better (clearer) pictures.

The following is not directed at you. I'm just putting it out there, in case anyone is unclear:

1. I don't know the OP
2. I have no financial interest in the items pictured in this thread

Denmark City?

Shocked at how many replies before the kraken was unleashed. lol

zero percent chance in any city these are real.

I will take them for $1 each just to own a piece of net54 history.. I may even pick up shipping cost. God forbid if they were stolen in transit to a grading company with insured shipping or even worse a buyer.. how could they live with themselves for not meeting up in -City-

IMO they are far superior to most reprints. For instance the name uses the proper typeface and coloring - which is unusual. However, reviewing the admittedly fuzzy pics - I simply can’t imagine these to be genuine. Certain aspects of the cards such as coloring or 50/50 all around centering is just not aligned with genuine T206 reality.

The t3 certainly is fake.

The owner/seller has been researching these cards, and the card you refer to is a "big card."

"Big Card" is how collectors from "City" refer to T3's

Does anyone know the origin of that idea that grading companies will steal the card/coin/stamp and replace it with a common one or reprint?

I have to think it happened at some point in the past, but don't remember ever hearing about it as an actual event*

*being different from the occasional losing of a submission that happens.

I have not heard of that happening specifically, but perhaps others have. I have heard many instances of the TPG dinging corners, creating creases and staining cards' surfaces. Not sure they've ever fessed up to it voluntarily with their submitters. But I have heard a number of instances where the submitter noticed it, filed a complaint, and got some type of restitution.

I know that doesn't answer your specific question, but is somewhat related in concept.

I know of at least two instances where PSA reached out and told a submitter that they damaged a card.

Am I the only one who thinks they might be real? If not, they're decent fakes

I've handled thousands (?) and I think they may be real as well. Horrible pictures, but they don't jump out as obvious reprints

How many of the Thousands of t206's that you handled had modern typset letters and numbers printed on them like these? Do you have any T206's that YOU have decided are real with these types of back marks in your collection? If you do would appreciate you sharing. We might all learn something.
J

Are we sure the "modern typset letters and numbers" are printed on the card? I couldn't tell because of the (low) quality of the images.

Markings, writing, and stamps can be applied to any card, whether its genuine or counterfeit.

modern typset letters and numbers printed on them

...have literally nothing to do with 115 year old cards being authentic. And some T206s that have "marks" or have been "marked with something" are unique and have none other similar to them. These I can show you. However, I have none that have the same markings as the cards in question.

Cory, it will be interesting to see if the OP contacts you and takes you up on your offer.

Maybe the OP can consign them
To Leland’s/Clean Sweep

modern typset letters and numbers printed on them

...have literally nothing to do with 115 year old cards being authentic. And some T206s that have "marks" or have been "marked with something" are unique and have none other similar to them. These I can show you. However, I have none that have the same markings as the cards in question.

Look when folks began reprinting cards there was concern. As not everyone could tell the difference. To help combat this reprinters began applying marks in modern typesetting to alert folks that they are not in fact real....but reprints.
I am 63 my eyesight is not what it was but I could ( and I am not the only one) tell at first glance these were not real T206's. Thanks to the fact that there was marking on the back.
Ignoring these warnings only helps those that would defraud collectors. Who frankly don't need the help.
J

I'm glad you were confident, at a glance, that these were reprints.

Clearly, the black letters/numbers aren't original to T206 cards. I believe everyone on the board can agree with that. Since those markings could be applied to genuine examples, though, I gather there's something else tipping you off.

I don't mean the OP, their story, etc. That's all background noise. Cards are either real or fake, independent of everything else. I'm trying to figure out what element of this card identifies it as fake. Again, not the black markings.

The reason I'm focused on this is perhaps a bit self-centered. I buy T206 cards. I occasionally buy them raw. If there's a new version of counterfeits circulating, it would be helpful to know. For instance, as someone else mentioned, the name and team are printed in a way that is usually not found on fakes.

Higher quality images would help; however, the OP hasn't posted them.

Having the card in hand would provide a definitive answer. I'm not driving to Oklahoma, though. Among other reasons, I have no interest in buying the cards.

What interests me is figuring out whether there's a new "generation" of fakes out there. A few long-time members have also chimed in on this thread. They weren't sure these cards were fake, either. From what I've seen in the past, it's typical for this board to call out a fake T206 rather quickly...and unanimously.

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Show me cards with the mlb 09 stamp please

Mlb 09
 

Here

Show the entire T206 card with a good picture. Not some half ass blurry pic from some 1997 Nokia flip phone.