Pwcc
 

The nonstop cards this guy rolls out every week is staggering. Has a CJ Joe Jackson SGC 92 that's stunning. Almost like he owns eBay these days. Seems to have everything. Yes, and I have read the threads bashing PWCC and realize some of you aren't fans.

I'm a bit new to the board, why do people bash him? All my dealings with him have been super smooth!

Brent treats me a "small roller" well.
Don't always get deals but get what Im looking for
usually. I need to look on EBay sounds
like he just rolled out a new Auction?

That's just insane...
It's gonna go for over 100k when all said and done

link to CJ Jackson...great looking card...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1915-Cracker...3D351746384051

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Check this PWCC T205 Cobby American Beauty back........WAY out of my league
:eek:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1911-T205-Go...0AAOSwagdXSg7H

The main thing is shilling within his auctions, but honestly Brent probably does more than most brokers to investigate it. Personally, since he recently changed his rate structure, I send any card over $50 or so to him to handle. I've always had great experiences with him. The prices he gets are typically higher than what I'd get on my own, plus there's the chance he'll give it a pwcc-he which will get it a nice premium.

if dont like pwcc prices..have fun with those great BINs on ebay...real bargains there

plus buying almost any key 50s rookie card from pwcc 8 months ago certainly would look like a great deal now..

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I have had good luck on some deals with his auctions. Trying hard not to spend any more money but this current auction is making it really hard.

Buying key 50s rookies from almost anyone else 8 months ago would have been an even better deal.

Now that is funny.

Problem with "anyone else" is they are either an AH that shills and uses 1980's software to cover it up, or they're BIN trollers with cards 1 to 2 grades lower than the flip and at 2x VCP.

Time is money, and PWCC doesn't waste my time like these other bozos.

buying groups.

Exactly!!! Some of the peanut sellers practically gave stuff away! A much better deal buying from one of them.

No, just stiff competition for nice cards. Including those that double in a week, or even overnight as we just saw with Ryan. Carry on.

Very odd. Sustainable? Or like the real estate/dot com bubble? I guess time will tell.

Ask Bob.

i guess you are referring to those great BINs...and people never want new records highs or think they have the best example of a card for the grade when dealing with private sellers...and of course private sellers never list a card and when cant get what they want do the 'ill keep it'

theres no 'ill keep it' with pwcc..if you win the item you going to get the card 99.99% i assume...pwcc doesnt say 'ill keep it..


too easy to say you get a better deal buying direct...the other issue is from who? you see people begging for cards on net54 all the time even offering reward to people who can find the card....and that sought after card can and does show up on in a pwcc auction on more than one occasion....easy to say its cheaper somewhere else ..without knowing where somewhere else is.....not saying you can never find a better deal somewhere else but you cant say the opposite either

easy to pay ton for card if planning on flipping it and not holding it.....hmm thats what happened with real estate too...

I disagree. I've bought many very nice cards at good prices from sellers in addition to PWCC. You may be describing some people accurately but not nearly the universe. Many guys who list BINs are very flexible and only list high to encourage direct sales.

like 707?

I have not bought anything from Levi in a long time.

look how much he counters you on a BIN...try 10 examples..let me know if he goes down by more than 1 or 2%

That may be, but I was not talking about Levi, he has his own model and obviously it works for him.

right..and pwcc has a model too and works for them..

I agree, but what does any of this have to do with my point that there are many places in my opinion to buy cards?

I got a 3% discount last time (35 off a 1250 list) when I offered to buy off ebay through his website. I was looking for slightly more.

As for PWCC prices I think they seem high because we all watch the big cards breaking records. But they're breaking records everywhere right now. Memory Lane, REA, Heritage, Goodwin. Every time an auction ends there is a thread about the price of some card or cards. There are deals available on all of them, PWCC included. Just not on cards like Clemente and Rose rookies.

cards yes..but not the key cards the poster was talking about ie waterside properties...where can i get a nice RC mantle 1951.....eventually can get a shot at it in a pwcc auction or maybe another auction..much harder to find a private seller out there

you want a 1954 topps psa 8 kaline...one is listed on ebay now for 10k....5 or so of them have sold the last 3 months with pwcc for 6-7k......where else can you get a psa 8 kaline in the next 30 days....one will be listed soon with pwcc.....if looking for a common 1954 topps psa 6...normal guy..yeah lots of places to look

right..but clemente cards look cheap now if bought them 3 months ago......its about the key cards....its always about the key cards with auction houses.....

Maybe they are a grade or more short of waterfront status but in the last year or so I have bought a Mays 5.5, Aaron 5.5, Koufax 6, Clemente 6, F and B Robinson 7, lots of 60s and 70s RCs in 7 and 8, 50s Mantles in 7, at what I considered good prices from various sources none of which happened to be PWCC. There is a lot more to the world than 5 rookies in 8s.

right most of those arent the cards that people are offering bountys for....people are talking about high grade CJ jackons etc....good luck finding those direct at a price you want ..

Beastmode's claim that there was noplace else to buy seemed a lot broader than a few elite cards. That is what I was responding to. It has never been easy to find a high grade CJ Jackson, don't kid yourself.

understood..tough to find a green cobb in a 4 centered as well etc....there are lots of people that go on net54 that have seen the ebay bins but want a better example of a card and offer bountys and theres a good chance they do show up at a pwcc auction..... its about price and being able to find the card..

No denying that Brent always has a great selection of cards.

He has grown astronomically huge from his beginnings years ago. So much to the point that maybe a cataloged auction is in order?

I think one of his attractions to consignors is the low fees he charges by keeping his expenses down. I doubt he needs to change anything.

Lets hear it for pre-war !
 

There is a lot more to the world than 1950's-60's RC's. Er, um, uh, how about pre-war? The current RC craze now makes pre-war look more value minded than ever before. I was never into RC's, and now double no. Putting my $ into top tier pre-war HOFers in mid grade and higher, I have no regrets.

I agree. There were some very nice prewar cards of major HOFers that sold pretty modestly in Heritage, for example, including a couple I was lucky enough to win. Green Cobbs, Yellow Ruths, and maybe a couple of others are really hot, but otherwise, prices seem pretty stable to me.

the sky is most definitely falling.

oh....and been doing so for the last 4 years.

There are many other options outside of PWCC for buying cards. Just look in VCP and pick any card and look at what PWCC gets for it in a particular month and then look at others which have sold for in the same month. The PWCC premium is material.

No rational reason for this
 

This is approximately a $1000 card listed last night. 92 bids, really, most one user ID ? Just a complete waste of time. Who has the time to bid that many times ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1934-Goudey-...EAAOSwQaJXTJHW

Guy apparently does the same thing on comic book related toys, so who knows. Seems like a huge waste of time and energy to me. You are not getting a $1000 card for $200. He should know that. So bid $500 and see what happens. Not that you will get it at $500 either. . . .

He has 77 bids on it so far lol.

There are some shill bidders who make tons of incremental bids in order to get their item higher in the search rankings or the Hottest cards list.

even if it technically doesn't "hurt" anything, it shouldn't be done!

in fact if it's him bidding on his card to help w/ the "hot/number of bids factor", it seems like the only thing it could hurt is the number of bidders that would actually decide to go in because of such activity.

He is bidding against himself over and over again? It's not like someone beat his previous bid so he outbid them again, he is bidding against his own previous bids. :confused:

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If I were to try and bid up my item, not that I ever would, that's exactly how I would do it. I don't want to throw in a number if I don't know what the max bid is. If it's $200 and I bid $500 then I essentially kill any and all potential action. Now, if I bid $10 at a time then once I hit past the bidders max bid it's only $10 more, thus not killing the action.

I got a nice 1972 Topps Rose from the last PWCC auction. The price was great and the card arrived safely and as advertised. Like any other sale, you just have to control yourself when bidding in PWCC. I had a ceiling, the card came in below it, I own it. If the card exceeded my ceiling, I would pass on it and keep looking. None of this mainstream stuff is rare, just expensive, so if you don't like the price, move along to the next one.

lets check 1951 bowman psa 4-5 mantles and the same waterfront cards..check out hank aaron 1954 topps....lets test the theory....you will see the other auction sites get record prices on the hot cards .pwcc has an auction every month which isnt like other places.....getting something now versus waiting later is worth something too...and also just having it avialable..

There are far more cards than the "waterfront" cards which are selling right now and in the recent past and in most cases if you look in VCP and compare PWCC results to others sold at the same time, PWCC's sell for more...much more. Knock yourself out and take a look.

True
 

...none of this mainstream stuff is rare, just expensive.

Here we go again with demand far more important than supply to determine price. Looking at PSA pops for some expensive cards (RC's) and I shake my head the prices are so high considering hundreds upon hundreds are out there.

Then look at the 1920's exhibits of Ruth, Gehrig, Hornsby and Walter Johnson - minuscule pops. Or the 1940 Foxx SGC 88 I posted has PSA pop of like 9 in the grade.

Looking at a past post, as a kid in the 70's I always wanted to pull Ryan, Seaver, Jackson, Rose, etc. - didn't give a darn about rookies - actually was disappointed with the rookies. I wanted any All Star with the extra all star ink/shield/star way more than any rookie. Then around early 1980's RC's started to become popular. I remember going back and scrounging for a stacked and forgotten Dale Murphy rc, or an Ozzie rc or an Eckersly rc - found them, and remember selling them as I thought they were overpriced way back then.

I own the entire series of Leaf exhibits. Probably the top rated set if I bothered to register. Some of them are a total universe of under 10. Minuscule. Ruth, Gehrig, McGraw, a few others. Demand form these seems pretty low. Go figure. But someone will pay 1000s for a rookie card from 1975. Can't figure the market and certainly not smart to fight it.

A PSA 6 Koufax now goes for more than a PSA 5 T202 Cobb. From a strict collecting standpoint it makes no sense.

Manias don't make sense, Peter, especially in retrospect. I mean, tulip bulbs? Pogs?? Beanie Babies??? When the end buyers, as opposed to the flippers, finally have their cards, the mania will stop and whoever is left holding the bag will lose a lot of money.

That is my belief as well, Adam.

Old theory...
 

Buy low, sell high.

And up until 4 months ago you could have 2 Koufax 6s for what a single T202 Cobb 5 costs. Those darn "waterfront" cards.

One of these is a thing of beauty. One is just a nice commodity card.

A Koufax RC is still a thing of beauty. I owned one before this craze and will own one after. Obviously I wish I had bought a higher grade when I picked mine up given recent sales, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it's a great looking and iconic card.

That Cobb is very nice too btw, definitely an under appreciated card.

In case you did not get the memo...Ty Cobb is just not a "waterfront" player.

you know, the never did catch that anthrax guy.

I think he was last seen in Savannah.

Oh I got it, but I tore it up. I think Green Cobbs are waterfront though even according to the authority.

Different strokes I guess. I like the post-war just fine and I obviously collect it, but to me pre-war is in a completely different league.

I agree. Like you I have pre-war, post-war, and modern in my collection. I appreciate them all for different reasons. But yea I am surprised some of the pre-war stuff isn't more popular or valuable given the scarcity.

+1 and Pre-war will continue to be the long term blue chip cards to own. Scarcity makes many issues hard to collect, I'd love to see a scarcity scale on every series made. Might be a great thing for the registry too!

The '50's and '60's are simply the focus of the hobby right now, just as they were in the late '80's to the early to mid '90's. Pre-WWI held that status until the last few years, and it will shift over time with cards, just as it has with coins and collectible cars. IMHO, the big values for key rookie HOF'ers from the '50's and '60's will be cyclical, as there are too many for linear growth and appreciation--about 200 PSA '54 Aarons in "8" or better, for example. $55,000 for one may still have some room for appreciation, but it will eventually cycle downwards, although remaining above where it was at when this last focus upon that era began. As the eminent author-dealer-collector Q. David Bowers said with regard to coins, what was in focus or favor during one decade seldom held that status in the next.

Personally, for the long run, I'd rather have my money in items far more rare and at least as significant, such as the 1907 Dietsche Fielding Pose Cobb rookie, 1907 Wolverine News Cobb Portrait (a very rare piece, and the photo simply captures the true essence of the man), 1939 V351 Ted Williams rookie, or even the 1929 Leader Novelty Ott rookie I obtained from Leon's Heritage auction last year. If such items follow the trend of coins or cars of analogous status, you'll see much more linear appreciation for them.

Once more, may your collecting bring you joy above all else,

Larry

A "demand" scale might be more appropriate. Rarity in itself does absolutely nothing to value. If there is only 1 Joe Schmoe, but no one wants a Joe Schmoe, then ole Joe is pretty much worthless except for the heat he would emit at being burned.

A really enjoyable related thread from a couple of years ago:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=199179

"think" being the key word.

Thanks for that link...... Lots of exotic cards

Caramel-cards.com has a great scarcity
List. But might be an old site and I don't
know how trustworthy it is

Pre war scarce?

What auction doesn't have 33 goudeys and t206 cards?


Blanket statements, I always love them

Ha ha yes...... Could be better described as Pre-War
E,D,M,W "ETC" non T206 or even non T205.

The '55 Clemente PSA 8 is now over $90,000 with still over a day to go. Must hit a 100k before it finishes. Those on the sidelines with 8's must be somewhat aroused and those holding 9's intensely aroused. I know I would be. There must be a ceiling, I guess, when the big money gets bored with baseball cards and moves on to antique fire plugs. John