"Lucky 7" find - Cobb with Cobb back
 

Not quite as rare any more. http://www.psacard.com/lucky7

Wow.... . I think their value might have gone up with this find. It is certainly possible. Great cards.

Shut the front door!!

Cool story

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Amazing..

If i am not mistaken, that means its scarcity order should drop to number 2.

Wow! Too bad my great granddad's tobacco habit didn't leave anything except a lot of Velvet tins behind.

What a great find. Would like to see larger scans of these, the centering
and registration look really nice on most of these. It's interesting how different
the colors on the uniforms are and how the D's are dark on four of them
and light on the other three,

How could it be that seven were found together? Guy must have worked at the factory or had some kind of connection. Otherwise, how else could this be possible?

Awesome find
 

I believe a nice sized grouping of them was also found in either the late 1980s or early 1990s as i remember seeing them at the old Willow Grove show. Somewhere around 7-9 if i remember correctly.

Lots in one place. No commons? No other backs? No other series? Hmm

maybe there is a stack of Wagners to be found also
 

in some attic, if 7 Cobb backs can be found in a group. Mind boggling to be sure.

Absolutely amazing - thanks for posting this DJ. The hammer prices for these might make the BSF look like '88 Donruss.

It is the
 

only possible card with that back not as odd as finding 7 drum back cobbs together and like i posted above not the first time a grouping of this rarity was found together.

It was 5 before
 

http://www.t206museum.com/page/periodical_8.html and this was not even the find i was referring to. I think there were now 3 groupings found together.

WOW...7 more cobb/cobbs!!!!! And the second time a rather large group and found all together... Lends itself to the theory that these may have been issued in some type of tobacco product...who knows.

You just have to wonder if not for the lore surrounding this card... If it would be as valuable today despite its relative commonality compared to many other issues ?

Dr. Ullman
 

It would all most definitely be considerably cheaper without carrying the T206 designation. Even if one believes it is warranted or not.

wow

+1. What an incredible find!

Best wishes,

Larry

God I wish!

Oh ... My ... GOD

Does this make Brown Old Mill the truly most difficult to obtain in terms of scarcity? I know the pricing will of course go to the Cobb, but wow, wow, wow ...

makes sense you'd find a grouping together as many of us have our own weird fetishes with certain cards. I know one guy who wants to corner the market on CJ Frank LaPorte's!

Does the Brown Old Mill really count its the Doyle that's the rarest right? Oh and by the way, HOLY $HIT

seeing as this cobb card is recognized to NOT be T206...what exactly are u referring to?

Interesting that, according to Joe O's article, the family believes their great-grandad rolled his own cigarettes and also smoked a pipe. That corresponds with the theory that the Cobb backs were included in the Cobb tobacco tin containing raw tobacco.

Here's a scan of the front/back of the PSA 4.5 in the find:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8...psdllstc5h.pnghttp://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8...ps5mlmtxvd.png

Steve

Also, before this find, the highest graded Cobb/Cobb was one PSA 3, and one SGC 40. Now, there's a PSA 3.5, along with the above PSA 4.5. PSA had graded eight total, and SGC had graded five.

Steve

I'd be searching granddad's house for some Ty Cobb tobacco tins. The fact that these are being found in groups leads me to believe they were most likely issued in that tin and that's the only way they were issued. Possibly for a very short time because of the scarcity of the cards and the tins. Granddad must have liked this brand and bought out his local tobacco shop.

Holy Schniekes!!!!!

found in an attic of a pekin, il federal camp, the 60 year old man who claims to have found them chose only to be referred to as #44856-424....

Stuff like this always make you think what will be the next find. Good for that family.

The card is graded as a t206 and t206resource lists it as a T206. Can you please clarify why you think it is not a T206?

This has been discussed in great detail over the years...the gloss coating...and the fact there is zero evidence these were issued in cigarette packs.

Not everything on the interweb is accurate!

To quote Trump...

This is YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE..!

Awesome find. I wonder if introducing 7 cards to the hobby at the same time with a previous pop of only 15 was the best strategy, or if it would have been better for the seller to release them one at a time, over time. This certainly did generate more buzz in the hobby though.

Dan....
 

you hit the nail on the head! obvious now they were distributed in the tins for a short period of time....similar to the polar bear pouch....that's why no other 206's found with them...and they are found in groupings....it was the only card in the tin probably.....

I will probably get beat up for this, but given that theory, I really don't believe they should be classified as a 206.....the gloss on them is the nail in the coffin ...

they are obviously a separate issue similar to how the 206 images were marketed on other issues like coupon , ect....

otherwise , or there would be other subjects distributed in the tin..


I'm sorry....I really don't think they warrant the ridiculous price tag! or to be classified as 206....

i'll take wagz or doyle ANYDAY over this hyped up non 206....

:)


BASH AWAY BOARD MEMBERS:D

Those are mine. Okay actually they're not.

I think that there are enough collectors who want a Cobb back that the release of all seven won't come close to saturating the market.

Did I miss something was it stated how these cards are being sold ?

+1

And as Leon said, if the man who spoke T206 into existence says it's a T206, then it's a T206.

I have never held one. I would imagine it is a T206 until there is a change in the hobby to recognize it to not be a T206, warranted or unwarranted.

any word on if/when/how they might be sold?
 

any word on if/when/how they might be sold?

Great find! One can almost hear the stampede of auction houses lining up to negotiate for the consignments.

The argument is used that the T213-1 were grouped as T213 and are thus not T206s, no matter how similar they are to the T206s.

If that's the case, then the Cobb back is a T206 because it was grouped with the T206, no matter how different it is from every other T206.

Cheers,
Steve

Where were they found?
 

It would be nice to know, in a general since, where these were found. I say this because then you could compare it to the other finds to see if the Ty Cobb cards were only distributed (or test marketed) in a small general area.

David

I have always been of the belief that these never hit the commercial market and this find further strengthens that for me. The most plausible scenario I have heard is that they were created as marketing ploy when founding the brand and were distributed at a gathering (be it a banquet, board meeting, or party held to mark the release.) I believe that the fact a full 80% of the now known examples came from two single finds in Southern homes backs this scenario up. I just think that had they had any commercial release (even a short one) more copies would have surfaced by now considering his popularity and the regional connection.

I'm sure you're right about that. But will instantly increasing the population by almost 50% hurt the value at all? Or will they sell for more because of the publicity?

For some reason I heard these were found out in California?

i honestly think the value will be maintained...as more will be available to more people...similar to the fact that the 52 topps mantle, 33 goudeys and t206 continue to be so popular with the masses.

Incredible find. anyone skeptical on it? Already authenticated but just so crazy that 7 would be found all together after all these years. Definitely seems like maybe they were a promo card for one particular item for a short time, like the tobacco tin?

Quite the find indeed.

Found in Myrtle Beach, SC. I'm on the fence if these should be classified as T206s or not. But if they are, why isn't the set 525?? Why do we consider the set complete at 524??

i used to think rarity should equate to desirability/value...but for the masses it does not! In fact I feel the relationship is inverse in most cases.

That is debatable.

Because it's a different back lol. NOT a different card. It's Cobb Red Background.

They say a picture's worth a thousand words.

Wow.

A picture of cards they say are worth a cool million.

I wonder (like I would know) if they'll bring any more than that.

Because the number is based off the front image. It isn't based off all the possible front/back combos.

This is awesome. But I think the hobby needs to retire the "find craze" it's run itself into lately. Lucky 7 find just sounds silly. And to see it on the flip is weird.

+1

"Lucky 7" sounds like the name of a slot machine.

Edited to add: Leon, you should buy all of these and change it to the "Luckey 7". That I would be OK with.

I wish I could afford even 1 of them. I guess the story is big, I just saw it on the Good Morning America tv show. They said the 7 would bring conservatively 1M. Another collector and myself thought about an estimate of 2M for the group.....who knows.

Hmmmmmmmmm...
 

Call me skeptical for sure....just doesn't add up for me. :confused:

what could you possibly be skeptical about????? PSA...the most respected name in the hobby...authenticated them.

Seriously...they are real,,,and this kinda thing happens!

I'm more skeptical of there being only "2" or a "handful" of cards known. I mean who would make the effort to only print a few of an item???

Anyone else notice they are all half grades?

But if they are, why isn't the set 525?? Why do we consider the set complete at 524??

Because it's a different back lol. NOT a different card. It's Cobb Red Background.

Duh!!! Sorry, I knew that. It was too early when I posted that!!! haha

Do not get the skepticism
 

3rd time now that a grouping of this card was found. Some people just do not seem to grasp what is still out there in some of the attics of these old homes that have not changed families for decades or centuries. It is the only card from the series possible so those saying why no commons do not know what they are talking about. PSA makes mistakes this is not one of them. I agree with Leon on the around 2 million figure.

from the story:

That said, the combined eye appeal of the group is sensational on the face of the cards, far exceeding the numerical grades assigned. This included the backs, which are considered very clean for the issue in question. Each card was absent any eyesore-like stains, which plague at least a decent portion of the previously-discovered examples.

As a result, each of the seven cards received a half-point grade ranging from PSA FR (Fair) 1.5 to VG-EX + 4.5. There were also four PSA Good + 2.5s and one PSA VG + 3.5. The PSA 3.5 and 4.5 now represent the two highest grades received in the marketplace.


what a find. they are beautiful all together

Trust me, you're not the only one.

I wonder if the cards were found by these 2 guys...:D

http://www.bobconnelly.com/081206/cobbedwards.jpg

funny david

comparing this to Cobb and Edwards
 

is asinine. They are real again are people just ignorant about this card and its history of being found in groups or are they just jealous they did not make the find?

Asinine indeed. If you were to introduce a fake Cobb/Cobb back to the marketplace, surely you wouldn't introduce SEVEN (7) fake Cobb/Cobb backs at one time to the marketplace!

No opinion on authenticity but I think it is important to be at least a little skeptical of something like this. The hobby deemed a blue backed Old Mill authentic despite there being a reprinted T206 set with the same style and color backs.

Asinine? First of all, I was only joking. Second, if you were going to 'fake' the find of course you would introduce 7 at the same time because, as Glyn mentioned, they have a history of being found in groups.

Get your panties out of a wad.

Could there have been multiple Cobb cards packed per tin? We already know the Red Portrait was a superprint. Could the the ATC have shipped overstock to this regional brand? Maybe that could explain the quantities.

What I meant by no commons is this: we are supposed to believe that in the era of tobacco cards inserted in tobacco this guy (or gal) only bought 1 type at 1 time. No automobiles? Flags? Rulers of the world? No t205? No t207? No historic homes? Only 7 of the most rare cards possible. Ok. I get it.

Dude probably liked Ty Cobb tobacco. Bought a few tins and saved the cards. Doesn't seem so far fetched to me.

And I'm also relieved that nobody would try to have a sensational positive news story on the heels of bad press. That stuff doesn't happen, does it?

You only feel that way because there haven't been any Cobb/Cobb scraps yet :D

Steve B

Don't worry Mark, there isn't any writing on the backs of these.

Lol

Maybe these cards were issued like the caramel cards. If you bought a tin of Ty Cobb tobacco, you would get a Cobb card. Someone who owns a store, ends up with a small pile of leftovers after the promotion. They put the leftover cards in a paper bag and forgets about them. 100 years later they are found in the bottom of the paper bag. It's possible.

Seems completely logical that the Cobb tobacco tin distro theory has just been proven and this guy liked it.

I really have no reason to really be skeptical on this. People have always had brand loyalty.

Some of these Cobb cards were most likely packaged in the Cobb Tobacco Tin and others were handed out to "admirers" of Cobb.

This would account for some of them having glossy fronts, and others not, respectively.


TED Z
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