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I just dropped a $1K max bid. Thanks for the heads up!

Dang it Zach.... Torched my $499.99!

Without seeing the card in hand it's hard to say. However....I'd bet a large amount of money that it has been altered. No, these are not common at all. Ask the seller if he will guarantee that it has not been altered and will grade numerically....

But again, impossible to tell from a scan.

Just lowered my bid to $500. Thanks for the heads up!

In all seriousness though I'd have to agree with Brendan. Without being able to view the card in person you'd be taking a big risk.

I kind of thought so. If the name were missing the colors on the card would be different as well.

I withdrew my 499.99 Zach so your safe to lower it a bit more. =)

The auction is almost over. Keep an eye on it and if it's at a price that you're willing to risk then go for it.

I've rarely seen missing name cards, but there are some around. I can't tell if the one on ebay has been altered.


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You high-rollers spoil it all for us bottom feeders.

I believe this was the auction in question (OP was deleted) ...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Deacon-Phill...vip=true&rt=nc

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzkzWDQ0Mg...T00WF/$_57.JPG

Nice card to own if it's legit. You would think since the seller mentions it in
the title he/she would have a zoom option and a crop scan. Hard to tell
with the scan but the white on the bottom has a mottled look to it.

Pa+rick R0.m0lo

The card looks legit to me. I don't see anything at the bottom that look suspicious. I like it and would love to own it. What do you guys think of the $553.21 final price?

AndyH


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The chipping looks suspect, not sure SGC would label as no name.

I hope it's real for the buyer, good price if it is.

You guys know more about T206 than I do but I agree about the bottom of the card looking suspect. However, I can't see erasure so who knows.... Good luck to the buyer....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Deacon-Phill...vip=true&rt=nc



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hello...
 

I spotted this one immediately......someone is taking a big risk on it...:eek:

near IMPOSSIBLE to tell from the scan....99.9% of T206 "no namers" are really not authentic "no namers".... the only way to tell is black light , then loupe....

this card will have no validity unless slabbed! no name T206 are the easiest to alter I heard.....

if I could guess from scan...:confused:...erasure/chipping suspect......:confused:


love to take bets on this..;I vote NOT

I'm with you JV... that's why my max bid was around $90.

technically ebay protects the buyer if card is not as advertised?

No name
 

The Top of the card looks funny. It also looks trimmed. It looks Too straight compared to the rest of the borders. IMO

John P

The risk outweighs the reward IMO. Maybe if a high res image was provided it wouldn't be as risky. My opinion, it's been altered.

This one has no name. I have a few that are just miscut and were left with no name. SGC didn't give it any special caption.

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Always like your stuff Robert!! the phillippe, like stated before, I wouldnt consider it without physically seeing it and the chip in the border def. a no-no.

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Card is now in hand...here is a blown up scan of the area in question. Through illuminated magnification looks good to me. Card is not trimmed at top either...just heavily worn. Gloss and tone of bottom matches the rest of the border as well.

Any opinions...advice?

Pete, you bought a T206? :eek:

full shot

ha ha...purely a speculative move on my part!

closer?

Nice card Pete. As long as Johnny is here,there will always be a market for it. :D

I'm still a bit stumped on confirming this is maybe real...and if so...getting it in a slab.

Oh, there's no doubt! :D

1) Buy iffy error T206 after noob posts eBay link.

2) Get it slabbed.

3) ... Profit!

Does PSA and/or SGC grade these denoting "missing name?"

Looks like the real deal to me. Nice pickup, Pete!

you forget step 4...REPEAT!

It looks good Pete, nice T206 pick up. Was the last one when you
were looking for beaters for your experiment?

Again,,, sorry to those who wanted or was watching the card before the 'noob' (me) posted it. I'm not going to take noob personally even though newbie would have sufficed. As diligent as everyone seems to be about running these little pieces of cardboard down I would have never guessed it was undiscovered.

No problem Donnie, welcome to the board. Also, I didn't realize there is actually a difference between "newbie" and "noob" until I looked it up - I thought that noob was just slang for newbie. No offense was intended.

SGC will not, don't know about PSA

No worries Daryl and thanks. I obviously screwed up a bit on this card by posting it mid-auction becuase I just had no idea or just wasnt thinking. I was quickly reminded of this fact with a PM so I took what I could down as fast as possible. Looks like the spoils went to Pete.

i too did not realize there was a difference between noob/newbie...I'm glad I now know!

Kinda reinforces why it's good to NOT out auctions currently active...it always draws new attention to them...I'd have never been looking at t206!

ha ha...yes those beaters were the last ones I purchased...and for the life of me I can't even find them!!!!

No-name T206's
 

Ryan (Southern League)

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/t...nonamet206.jpg



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LOOKING for this T206 guy to complete my EXCLUSIVE 12 red HINDU sub-set (12 subjects)

SHECKARD (glove)
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They're probably still soaking somewhere or sitting in the sun.:)

probably, Pat!!!

hey guys...
 

sorry late to the party!!! all tpg are very suspect of missing names.....not sure if sgc even grades then anymore! last one I bought off ebay came back as "erasure" and I returned it....

if this gets a slab it would be a hot card, but that the tuf part....

it has enough real estate to be a true" no name".....which, inmho, needs more than the average space under the border to have received the strike....

in essence, a true no name has to have plenty of bottom border like your card...

I own at least 3 "true no name" but they are all printers scrap and never received the strike(Chance, Abbott, Mcginnley off the top of my head)...a true no name factory cut card are EXTREMELY rare....one of the only ones iv seen is sean's unglaub in the GIA holder AND THE ONE ON t206 MUSEUM.....

if you get it slabbed....JACK POT:eek:

Well SGC won't grade it...PSA won't grade it...not much point in trying any other TPG!!!

Dammit...this hobby needs a new tpg with the balls...to grade em all!

They won't grade based on the scan?

they dont even want to see the scan...they just wont label it no name.

I know nothing about grading so this might be a dumb question but what difference does having it labeled "No Name" make as long as it gets a # grade? It would be obvious by looking at the card that it has no name.

Really? Do you mean they won't grade it at all, or they won't include a "No Name" notation? If they wont grade it at all, I agree with you Pete, what good are they.

Posts crossed, last post question answered. That's not too bad, they give a numerical grade which is their opinion that it's not altered.

there will be.....
 

a co. that will do it.....by hobby experts one day:D

Some may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one... ;)

interesting concept?

Any opinions? I cannot post high res scans here.

Not an expert like some of these guys but if it is legit than it is a really cool card!

Let me offer you another way to spin this sir. Why does the flip need to say "no name"? If it doesn't say "altered" or miscut than wouldn't it support your needs? Cha Ching!

i totally agree...and here's the thing that dumbfounds me...SGC will not grade this card...period! They will not even grade it Authentic...which I think is absolutely ridiculous! Earl called me...which I greatly appreciated...but he could not give me a solid reason why they would not grade it...other than the fact that most no name cards are not authentic.

Reminds me of Fro Joys...just because there are a lot of fakes...all are punished.

PSA has stated they will not slab it "no name" but I have a feeling they will in fact assign it a grade.

Pete!!!
 

Hold onto your card.......one day someone will grade it correctly;)

sgc is awesome, and EARL is prob the best guy out there to deal with!!! I only deal with sgc in this regard.....yes...I have run into this problem with no names......they are apparently "easy" to forge.....but there should be ways to detect this...if not now, then in the future...:)

I hear ya Johny...but if these TPG'ers are supposed to be the "experts" providing assurances to collectors...and they can't even grade properly...what does that say?

unfortunately.....
 

some of these cards are like "yeti":D....they are just not understood yet....except by a few obsessed T206 collectors such as myself....:)

Wasn't the name printed in the same pass as other parts of the image? If so, those parts should be missing as well. Are they missing in your scraps?

There are proofs without names: http://t206resource.com/Proofs%20Gallery.html

Scott!!
 

it is complicated.....as Erick stated........I own(mcginnley, abbott, chance, and knight)..... 4 separate printers scraps with legit "no names".....some did receive the third stage of brown printing....some did not...really wild!

factory issued T206 "no names" are extremely rare, and extremely hard to prove.....that's why tpg's will not touch them with a 12 foot pole! leaves them up to too much liability....

the truth is, some forgeries with no name T206 are tough to disprove......the only way to determine is: smell it, taste it(yes sounds weird), put the black light on it, measure the caption field, and have it reviewed by the veterans.....even then it will always be suspect unfortunately...


sad for pete, cause his card may actually be the yeti :D

Agree with Scott. That card is just too "complete" to be just missing the name. Don't get me wrong, I hope it is truly a "no-name", but I wouldn't bet on it. But good luck!

Thanks Erick.

Using the example of the one at the top right, the 'no name' has less brown than the 'with name' to the right of it.

Johnny - thanks for the explanation. Pete's card does appear to be 'too complete', as the previous poster noted, but to me this should be simple to figure out. Get a high-power magnifier and check out the area - there will almost certainly be evidence, or lack thereof.

Cycleback - thoughts?

I don't know how they did it with the T206s and haven't looked into it, but in some prints the black text is printed from its own, separate printing plate. I had Topps complete progression proofs for 1970s cards that showed they at least sometimes printed the text from its own printing plate. Progression proofs were a pre-final printing quaiity control series of card sheets, each sheet printed from a different combination of printing plates (yellow/blue plates, magenta/yellow plates, just yellow, just blue, just black, etc). Printers did this to make sure the printing aligned and the colors looked right before printing off the 10,000 or whatever finished cards. The proofs clearly showed the individual plates they used and, at least for the proofs I had, the front black text came from its own printing plate-- even separate from the other black parts (black outline around player's picture and black details in picture). One proof would have all the colors, including black, but wouldn't have the text. Another proof would have just the black border design and black details in the player's picture, again without the text. So the idea that just the text can legitimately be missing from a card is theoretically possible.

I'd like to see the high res scans. Too bad they're limited here.
I do think that card has enough lower border to have a shot at being real. A really close examination of that area should show if there's anything odd about the surface.

Interestingly, over in the postwar side one of the guys has demonstrated selectively fading a card with a method that leaves no obvious traces . It makes me wonder if it's possible with the brown on a T206 as it's dependent on the ink. Some fade more easily than others. From the sun faded cards I have I'd think not.

This is as close as I've come to a no name. Combination of a miscut and a downward shift of the brown that made the caption low enough to be "missing". It's actually there, but just the barest hint of the tops of two letters.

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...pictureid=6352

Steve B

If it simply faded, would residue show up under a backlight? I know this is true of old baseball bats where there are no obvious remains of the original signature.

I don't know how just the name would fade away and everything else looks fine. However, infrared viewers are used to read badly faded ink. Archeologists use them to read ancient documents where the writing has faded to unreadability or even invisibility under daylight. But it's a hit or miss proposition. It either works or it doesn't, all depending on the chemical makeup of the ink. Though it did work for me on badly faded and unreadable side writing on a 1920s baseball bat. I took an infrared photo and was clearly able to read it. I still have the photo. I have an infrared camera, but would have to find the batteries :)

Police forensic experts use special viewers that view things using all sorts of lenses, lights and filters-- black light, infrared, different colors, polarization--, all in the name of discovering otherwise invisible details and minute objects. An expert would look at it through the spectrum of lights to see if something appears, and if there is something it likely would. That's how they find minute hairs and droplets of saliva at a crime scene.

infrared, black, yellow, white - they are all lights.

We shall see, David.

One of many things thing to do is to make sure the overall gloss and blacklight fluorescence is the same as on other T206s. There was a case of an altered T206 variation (one of those missing letter on the uniform variations) where the forger coated the front in a clear varnish-like substance to try and mask his handiwork. Ironically, what gave it away as altered was the buyer noticed that the card front was glossier than on his other T206s.

Peter was nice enough to send me a high res. scan. To me the bottom border seems cleaner/whiter overall than the rest of the card. I have no opinion on it being altered as I collected t206's for a few months and did not really care for them so I did no research on alterations.

In hand a good top lighted microscope would probably tell you. Besides black lights I have found the CFL lights will also make some alterations stick out like a sore thumb when the card is held close to the light and tipped.

Ben... Thank you for your opinion. Card is on the way to Seattle for forensic evaluation.:eek:

Here is another

personally...I believe that comparing vertical miscuts where there is very little bottom border...no names...to normally cut cards with large bottom borders with no names to be like comparing apples to oranges.

Time will tell if my card is legit or not...either way...the truth should be known.

I posted the Schmidt because of its full border. I didn't do the side-by-side. It just happen to be listed that way in the original scan that I borrowed. The Ebay seller had them scanned together a few years back in his/her auction.


Jantz

that's cool jantz...the schmidt is an apple!!!!:) but others are posting oranges...which I believe are very different.