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The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.
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And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards third to be tagged out by Lord? |
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Is the right arm of Jax in the newspaper pic not much higher up than the arm in the t202? Or am I not seeing it right. Also Lord's left foot appears to be in a different position relative to the bag.
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I mean Jax's right arm. |
Following Geno's theory about the positioning of Tannehill... It is conceivable that Tannehill, after making the throw to Lord, focused his attention back to the live runner, Lajoie who had hit the ball. To me it appears that he is looking towards 2nd base or in that direction more than towards the plate. Hard to tell exactly where he is in relation to 2nd base. Anyway this is speculation. Again it is troubling the white wrap or sock is not seen in the newspaper image.
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What is beneath our noses is a blurry photo.
The newspaper photo maybe establishes that it is the same outfield fence. There is no doubt in my mind that it might be Joe Jackson. |
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I was looking at the box score that Greg provided of the game in question and I can't make out what position Tannehill was playing? Does that say SS or 3B? It sort of looks like it has 3B, which is the same position as Lord. If that is the case, who was playing short?
The newspaper photo and the T202 photo appear to be of the same play, just not the same exact time. A split second later. |
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It is the angle of the photo and not sure it takes that long to raise your arm up to your face. In the image from the newspaper Joe is almost completely reclined. Look at Lord's head compared to the dark part of the fence in the background.
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The thing I don't like about this, is that "Mark" isn't saying anything at all. He's saying he doesn't know, which is the same thing as saying nothing. The only evidence he can possibly use to disprove that it is JJ is to prove that it's another player, which he could never do. ALL the circumstantial evidence points to Jackson, so now it's in doubters hands to prove who it is, because if they can't, it's Jackson, based on the evidence at hand. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Quote:
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Paul earlier made a nice point about reasonable doubt. So - here is a thought experiment. Assume that sllding into 3rd base is a serious felony, punishible by a lengthy prison sentence, perhaps even death. The witnesses to the event in question have all died or mysteriously vanished. All we have is the image from the card.
JJ is arrested. Should he be convicted based on that image? |
The houses haven't moved?
I don't buy the argument that the houses haven't moved with respect to the fence. I'm pretty sure if you took the picture from the same photographers' area of League Park in the dead of winter, the houses would still line up with the fence - they'd just have snow on them.
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At least ban him from baseball.
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After zooming in on the newspaper pic I'm even more convinced now that the shadow from Lord's body or leg is what is darkening Joe's right lower leg. You can even see another shadow on Joe's right knee from Lord's right arm.
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never mind for now
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I've tried to remain impartial throughout this thread but I must admit after closely comparing the newspaper photo with the T202 image I'm on the "It's Joe" team now.
With that said I'm perplexed by the fact that they would use an image of Joe and not mention him on the card. Other players that aren't included on the end panels are mentioned in the description of center panel images. |
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Up to 1911, Joe had only played in 30 total games, so he wasn't as well known until later that year. That is just a hypothetical guess though, without any absolute proof. r/ Frank |
Frank I understand your point, but considering a photo was used in the set from the 1911 World Series, Joe was well established by the time the write ups were done.
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All the folks who are convinced should be scrambling to buy up this card before the price goes through the roof. Are you?
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Dr. Spaeth you have failed to factor in the drag from sliding AND I doubt Joe ran 90 feet in 4 seconds. Psst...I will give you a VG example of the T202 if you just stop picking apart my newspaper image! |
werent these made in 1912, which would have been after jax hit .408
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No Peter I wouldn't buy one before and I won't buy one now. With that said here's why I think the two photos are from the same play.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_UrSHvogCrmM/S_...0Updated25.jpg 1) The photos as pointed out before were taken from two different angles. The bottom photo was further up the 3rd baseline than the top. 2) Lord's right hand, Lord's head, and Joe's right arm all have moved proportionally from one photo to the next. Joe's right leg, Lord's feet, and Joe's head have all maintained their position. Nothing is out of place from one photo to the next. 3) The angles surrounding the bag including the curvature on the home plate side are identical. I know this isn't proper photo identification, but it's pretty compelling to me. |
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3 people contacted my brother either from the PSA boards or this one yesterday wanting to buy his cards, so the rush has already started I'm afraid. I thnk now the bet should be what seller or auction house will use Brett's "Joe Jackson" reference in trying to sell this common for a super premium. |
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Now if the JJ case was a civil case, I think a jury could find the Plaintiff (Brett) has established his case by a preponderance of the evidence.
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oh, before you talk about not adding anything to the conversation....some of your posts exemplify it ! Why don't you just sit back and read instead of lobbing your insulting and inconsequential remarks at me. Your not going to change my mind , and I highly doubt your going to get a gang of Net54'ers to chase me off the board because you don't seem to like what I say sometimes. |
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