You haven't already stopped trusting PSA?

Remember GAI? Exodus to SGC.

I thought Mike Baker was terrific, as good as they get. What happened there is really sad.

PSA should regrade them "Authentic" and recoup whatever they can out of them through a sale. To avoid them coming back raw, they could scan each card and use as a reference. I know it's been discussed, for years, about using invisible ink of some kind on the card itself. Maybe now is the time to take that into serious consideration, again.

The FDLE called me today to discuss my report. So you can be assured that law enforcement is looking into it.

It's all in the stock-holder statement. Guarantee returns were around 600k last year if I recall correctly. The figure has been increasing steadily and quickly the last few years.

Lol, right?

This goes way beyond a PWCC auction. These cards have been filtered into the community over the past decade. They're in all of our collections right now, and most of us may never know which ones are good or bad. Period.

FBI checking out PWCC

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1697

This is EXACTLY what I was thinking yesterday. Unless PSA makes changes, then these cards will DEFINITELY be graded again.

the cards need to be either destroyed or somehow given a scarlet letter on the card itself that cant be removed.

Fortunately there's still a link at the top of this homepage to "consign now" if you want to get your cards "prepared" for the next PWCC auction. Hurry up, kids. It may be their last!

based on what is coming to light these dsys it would not surprise me in the least if most high profile "dealers" auction house owners, etc are well aware of what is and has been going on and are somehow intermingled in it.

I think one of the modern card companies should purchase them, cut them up and make relic card inserts for their 2020 products. :D

Those that could never afford a green Cobb could then own a piece of one.

shhhhhh!!!! (lol)

Actually that's one of the most interesting ideas you've had. If they're altered anyway it bothers me a lot less than cutting up a Ruth or Gehrig bat or something.

Maybe they can create a holder that will destroy the card if someone tries to crack it open...actually if they are to survive a return to PSA, Beckett or whoever would probably be for the best...

5 minutes for fighting.

We know that you meant Masto & Allen and not the political analogy:)

That's a good place to start. Sportscard Radio lays the scheme out perfectly.

Especially Brent Mastro's relationships with Steven "InstaTrimmer" Tormollan, Gary "Scissorhands" Moser and Robert "Fat Kid on the" Block.

That's the problem, once this thing cools off, the cards get redistributed back into the marketplace over time. Easier to spot now with the heat on. I hope one of the culpable parties is forced, by law or tort, to take these cards out of circulation now before they become harder to find.

http://www.sportscardradio.com/alert...by-psa-or-bgs/
Cardboard carnage. Just keep scrolling.

If there's a seizure and court case, I assume they would be marked in some way. The PSA/DNA synthetic DNA would be good.

Then they'd be sold raw.

When all the fake Rose RCs were discovered ('86?), weren't those allowed to be sold, but first all marked counterfeit?

thats actually a great idea!

This whole alteration scenario is playing out like a '60s TV show. ".... Should you or any of your team members be caught, PSA will disavow any knowledge of your involvement. This holder will self destruct in 10 seconds" cue music...

There is absolutely no discussion on the PSA message board.

Good reporting.... and the VAST majority are PSA. :eek:

Maybe if we can get Brent involved he can devise a sticker for high-end altered cards.

BrianP(arker)-beme

pass!!!!!

poof

SO corrupt...

I usually hate it when people link these things... but found an appropriate sound track for the imminent American Greed episode about PWCC and PSA. Innovative alternative band, perhaps most famous for doing the South Park theme song...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=953PkxFNiko

They should repeat that ominous bass line all throughout the impending episode.

Edit: Click to skip the ad

Maybe this has already been posted but I just seen it on Facebook. :D

Great card but it looks doctored.

Send it in to PSA to make sure!

That would be an awesome card to hand out with the other freebies at the National. All attendees should get one in their goody bags.

that IS a great idea!!!!

I recall people asking months ago what would become the next 7 figure card.

Who knew it hadn't even been created at the time the question was asked?

The Moser/Orlando/Huigens RC is now on my wantlist!

Top bottom centering is off, rule out Matt and Sam.

There is a thread about it on the PSA board, and numerous people in the thread are well aware and disturbed about the situation. However, the forum is closely moderated by PSA, and the members know it, so don't expect as vigorous a discussion as elsewhere.

The threads on their first page are named: "Alteration vs. Conservation (Now Defined by PWCC)", "Did PWCC Remove the Ultra-High resolution pictures from the Marketplace?", "PWCC reply to recent issues", "PWCC blocked me after my first and only return", and "Questions for Steve Sloan" (immediately locked).

Zero of those titles say "Trimmers", "Scandal", "PSA", "BGS", "FBI", or any other interesting keywords that might let someone know there is a major hobby story going on that they should be paying attention to. Reading those threads, it's quite clear that many people have no idea what's going on, and the ones that do sort of know, many are missing major pieces of the story.

The last one of those threads that has a response was, I think, 6 hours ago.

Glad mine came back from grading before the scandal hit. Note also the even rarer F*ckface variation!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...eda55dcec4.jpg

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

And the ever-elusive PSA 11. Sell now!

In the past threads on the forum have been known to go “poof” and disappear, with some of the posters then being banned from further participation when they contained things that the host of the forum did not like.

At least this time the discussion has been allowed to continue without censorship.

There are probably many things PSA needs to improve on, but considering what used to happen this is actually a step in the right direction.

PWCC is now auctioning off the sphinx, a Moser consignment...

Attachment 355479

I laughed

You hit it right on the nose.

Actually wouldn't he have trimmed away more of the face to make the nose look correct?

Can you please send me a link or find out who did this beautiful card. I would like to have them printed as real cards and handed out at the National at my expense. Thanks

Meanwhile......Huigens and Probstein are laughing their asses off.....

Awesome!!!! Some guy on bo made it.

That Moser fellow looks a lot like my neighbor. I always had my suspicions about him, and looking now at his shrubs, those suspicions have been confirmed.

Brian

Not Brent anyhow. No effing way. This is very serious business.

If I were Brent, I wouldn't be laughing. PSA must hate that guy by now.

He has problems on several fronts I would imagine.

Solvency may be one of them. A consignment business can't last long if they're taking returns but can't get reimbursed by the submitter.

Another Moser consignment at PWCC...

Attachment 355511

PSA President Steve Sloan has released the following statement on the PSA forum:


PSA is aware of recent hobby message board activity and is conducting its own investigation into the matter.

We take consumer protection seriously, as evidenced by the thousands of altered and counterfeit cards that we reject each year, our on-going investments in grading and holder technology, and long track record of working with law enforcement to eliminate fraud from the hobby.

PSA processes more than two million cards each year and will not let isolated acts from a few dishonest actors deter consumer confidence in our brand. We will act against anyone who violates PSA’s Terms & Conditions by knowingly submitting altered cards for authentication and grading. While our actions will be conducted privately, please know that the impact will be felt by those attempting to mislead collectors for personal profit.

As with any financial transaction, if you are unsatisfied with your purchase, contact the seller to initiate a refund request. If the seller is unknown, you may send the card to PSA for review under our Financial Guarantee of Grade and Authenticity.

PSA is well-versed in combating fraud and we have addressed these issues in a professional and direct way for nearly thirty years. After all these years, our hobby is stronger than ever. Rest assured that PSA will not let the actions of a few have any lingering impact on the hobby or the PSA brand.

Steve Sloan
PSA President

I either got it from the Facebook Vintage card forum or the 52 Topps forum if you are on FB?

I am unsure, if I copy and paste the links, if they'll show up or not without being logged in?

I hope you're right Peter, but I will not hold my breath....

Brian,

Is it also a very scarce BLANK back version?

oh, there's a back my handsome friend! Don't worry about that:D

I'm not sure, because I cannot see into my neighbor's back yard. My guess, however, is that the shrubbery back there is also expertly trimmed.

Brian

Another Look N See with 45 45 centering
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2545

Look N Snip

Look ma no borders.

I wonder if this will open a can of worms for their autograph authentication side as well?

What’s probsteins role in all of this?

PSA does not certify their autograph opinions under the grade guarantee.
Probstein hasn't really been linked yet, nor deserves to be, because the vast majority of cards are being passed through PWCC or SSI.

Nor does SGC since forgery is a federal offense they advise to contact the fbi!

Here is the response from PWCC that I received about a Moser card I purchased that was probably cleaned but not altered:

"Thank you or reaching out to us about this card. At this time we are working to address those cards which have been trimmed, recolored, have corners built up, etc. The card you purchased is not obviously altered and we don’t have enough evidence to determine yet that it is. Please be patient while we work through the clearly altered cards; if there are any issues with any of your past purchases we promise we will get to you soon. Thank you for your assistance on this.

​
Thank you!

Betsy Huigens
PWCC Marketplace"

Was the card just less dirty, or were stains removed? Did the image lose clarity because of the soaking?
If it was one of those 1951 Bowmans with previous wax stains, I would say those were very likely chemically cleaned.
However, since you first tried to get made whole by PWCC, you should now go to PSA.

The card is a 1900 Cope's Golf Card of Old Tom Morris. The card was previously purchased by Gary Moser and was apparently in PSA 2 slab before I bought it in a PSA 4 slab.

There are before and after photos in posts 79 and 82 of the linked thread.

http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=269583&page=2

Going from a 2 to a 4 wouldn't likely just be from light cleaning. I'm guessing there was also a crease pressed out. The before card wouldn't have gotten a 2 just from light staining, IMO.

That card is altered.

A few hundred and they won't return it. Sad.

Betsy probably wrote that email from her 1.5 million dollar home.

ANY card Moser had his hands on should be eligible for a refund.

ANY card PWCC sold is suspect and should be eligible for a return.

Sorry this happened to you.

"Please be patient while we work through the clearly altered cards."
??? I thought you were releasing a list of ALL cards involving Gary Moser so that the present owners can determine if their cards have been altered???

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...90614&page=105
Just this page alone from yesterday:
T206 Piedmont Nap Lajoie from PSA 2 to 4
1954 Bowman Mantle from PSA 4 to 6
1948 Leaf #1 Joe DiMaggio PSA 6 to PSA 7
1954 Topps Al Kaline RC #201 from PSA 6 to 7
1969 Topps Mickey Mantle #500 from BVG 5.5 to PSA 8
1933 Goudey #53 Babe Ruth BVG 2.5 to SGC 3
1952 Topps Look 'N See Babe Ruth #15 PSA 6 to 8
1914 Cracker Jack Ray Fisher #102 PSA 2 to 3
1914 Cracker Jack Josh Devore #47 PSA 1 to 3
1909 E95 Philadelphia Caramel Ty Cobb PSA 3 to 5
1914 Cracker Jack Nap Lajoie #66 PSA 2 to 2: still gained $664
1952 Bowman Stan Musial #196 PSA 9 to 10: Value gain of $25,300.03

Is the near future here yet?
How long does it take to print a list of cards connected to Gary Moser?

Still no word from PSA or PWCC on which law enforcement agency(ies) they claim to be working with.

"1952 Bowman Stan Musial #196 PSA 9 to 10: Value gain of $25,300.03"

Ouch, seem to remember someone posting about buying this card.