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Peter_Spaeth 10-14-2023 08:15 PM

If it goes over 85 I am seriously considering trading my 5.

toothcutter 10-14-2023 08:18 PM

Pete, in my honest opinion, they have been undervalued for years. Do not sell. Cobb and Gehrig also. Under 85 for the 5.5 m116 is a steal!!

Casey2296 10-14-2023 08:32 PM

Pete, do you remember that 30 ticket lottery that Howard was running earlier this year for the complete M116 set?
I think tickets were 1300 each and we couldn't fill the spots. A fella could have had the whole set for under 40K, and from memory the Wagner and Cobb were really nice cards.

Peter_Spaeth 10-14-2023 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Casey2296 (Post 2380697)
Pete, do you remember that 30 ticket lottery that Howard was running earlier this year for the complete M116 set?
I think tickets were 1300 each and we couldn't fill the spots. A fella could have had the whole set for under 40K, and from memory the Wagner and Cobb were really nice cards.

Indeed. My spider sense rarely trusts these sudden exponential price surges. If I could trade my Wagner for the right variation B 311, I would not look back.

Exhibitman 10-14-2023 08:43 PM

I don't know, the way these cards have skyrocketed, taking a massive profit might not be an unreasonable "i" strategy. I bet there are a lot of collectors who'd wished they dumped their MJ rookies when the market was red-hot. That said, I think we are still on the rise with the Wagner. If I had one, I might be tempted to carry it another round or two, but I would most likely set an exit price and get out when it hits.

Exhibitman 10-14-2023 08:50 PM

I am not familiar with a B 311?

Peter_Spaeth 10-14-2023 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 2380702)
I am not familiar with a B 311?

Sorry for the lingo, isn't everyone Matty C? :) The second version of the 52T Mantle, #311.

esehombre 10-14-2023 10:40 PM

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It is an interesting dynamic for sure - Understanding that certain players' legacies have taken on a life of their own - I paid somewhere around 1/40th of the prices being discussed recently for this one.

Peter_Spaeth 10-22-2023 10:18 PM

Blue M116 SGC 5.5 just closed at 60 plus BP. The ML PSA 3 at 50+ maybe not looking like such a deal now.

Rhotchkiss 10-23-2023 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2382654)
Blue M116 SGC 5.5 just closed at 60 plus BP. The ML PSA 3 at 50+ maybe not looking like such a deal now.

More properly compared, the SGC 5.5 sold for $72k last night vs the PSA 3’s $53k+ in September. I feel both were correctly graded, or at least, neither was particularly better or worse on eye appeal for the grade. I think $72k is a very strong number. But I agree that $53k may have been a little too strong.

Republicaninmass 10-23-2023 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 2380700)
I don't know, the way these cards have skyrocketed, taking a massive profit might not be an unreasonable "i" strategy. I bet there are a lot of collectors who'd wished they dumped their MJ rookies when the market was red-hot. That said, I think we are still on the rise with the Wagner. If I had one, I might be tempted to carry it another round or two, but I would most likely set an exit price and get out when it hits.


Completely agree. I'd wager (a pittance) a few people are bidding up some of these cards looking for the greater fool. Time will tell, but as soon as a regular person goes to sell theirs, the prices don't seem as strong. Likely to be in Goldins next auction, and the one after that, and the one after that. Recently I checked a card history and it's been sold via auction 4 times in the past 2 years, 3 times via Goldin

toothcutter 11-03-2023 07:14 PM

Love the comments. The 5.5 centering wasnt that great. 72k respectful. Look at the 1.5 pastel on heritage. Will go for over 20k. Wagz running strong

RCMcKenzie 11-04-2023 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by toothcutter (Post 2385831)
Look at the 1.5 pastel on heritage. Will go for over 20k. Wagz running strong

They have an estimate of 5K. Great minds think alike.

frankrizzo29 01-14-2024 04:05 PM

Wagners
 
Wagners are still going strong. The E90-2 SGC 2 in Memory Lane last night went way higher than I thought it would. Price is almost double what it sold for in Nov 2022. I'd say a 100% increase in 14 months is a good rate of return.

Vintageclout 01-14-2024 06:07 PM

Wagners
 
$44K for an SGC 2 E90-2 Wagner last night in Memory Lane….and the beat goes on!

brunswickreeves 01-14-2024 07:11 PM

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This active Authentic on eBay is climbing up with a half hour to go!

Leon 01-15-2024 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by brunswickreeves (Post 2404823)
This active Authentic on eBay is climbing up with a half hour to go!

I hope they aren't buying it for the aesthetics.
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JimC 01-15-2024 08:34 AM

The D304 GB back Wagner in Memory Lane went for just a few dollars less than 13K. The same card sold for 5400 in August of 2022. Pretty good bump.

Cooper1927 01-19-2024 08:38 PM

The authentic pastel M116 in REA looks to be headed north of 10k this weekend.


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Rhotchkiss 01-21-2024 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooper1927 (Post 2406231)
The authentic pastel M116 in REA looks to be headed north of 10k this weekend.


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Yup, currently at $11,700. The Colgans PSA 1 is just shy of $2000 with BP, a record. Wags is still hot

booth2462 01-22-2024 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jsfriedm (Post 2373473)
Very happy I picked up mine when I did. It wasn't something I was looking for, but I got it on a whim at what is probably a fraction of what it would go for today. I know it's not a portrait, but I always prefer "action" shots anyway:

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2376005)
Rob, I was the winner of the M116 Cobb in REA's auction and felt I got it a good price. Subsequently, at this year's National I traded it for a PSA4 T206 Cobb bat off plus some cash off to complete the 4 poses. it is only in the past several years that Wags has outshone Tyrus, and I wonder with all the hype and publicity about his T206 in recent years if any Wags card bearing a like image will fetch big bucks. Think the E90-2 and Tip Top cards which have been on a roll. I would love the Sporting Life Wagner but it is now out of my range at current auction levels.
The only Wags cards held at the moment are his E92 Dockman, E95 and a trimmed, autographed Goudey Premium.
I have always found it interesting that the Ruth '48 Leaf sells for big bucks while Hans is very reasonable, if not cheap. Obviously, both are long past their playing days.
My Wags grail card is his E94.

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Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie (Post 2385999)
They have an estimate of 5K. Great minds think alike.

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Originally Posted by frankrizzo29 (Post 2404758)
Wagners are still going strong. The E90-2 SGC 2 in Memory Lane last night went way higher than I thought it would. Price is almost double what it sold for in Nov 2022. I'd say a 100% increase in 14 months is a good rate of return.



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brunswickreeves 01-27-2024 06:17 AM

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Cooper1927 01-27-2024 10:46 AM

The chart shows 29 for E103 Beckett. They show only 1 on pop report, I think the 29 is the “number” of the card for them.


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brunswickreeves 01-27-2024 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Cooper1927 (Post 2408275)
The chart shows 29 for E103 Beckett. They show only 1 on pop report, I think the 29 is the “number” of the card for them.


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Good catch! Edited that one and doubled checked/updated other Beckett POPs.

Cooper1927 01-27-2024 11:57 AM

Thank you sir!


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Aaron Seefeldt 01-27-2024 04:20 PM

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I found it interesting (puzzling?) that the e106 Wagner batting in Heritage last night sold for more than the e106 Cobb leaning in bat. While it was $120 more for the Wags, I thought the Cobb to be in better condition although I’m biased as I bought the Cobb (both are pictured below). Have we reached the point where Wags outsells Cobb in similar (non Wagner portrait) issues? If so, I’ll take Cobb 10 out of 10 times.

obcmac 01-27-2024 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron Seefeldt (Post 2408399)
I found it interesting (puzzling?) that the e106 Wagner batting in Heritage last night sold for more than the e106 Cobb leaning in bat. While it was $120 more for the Wags, I thought the Cobb to be in better condition although I’m biased as I bought the Cobb (both are pictured below). Have we reached the point where Wags outsells Cobb in similar (non Wagner portrait) issues? If so, I’ll take Cobb 10 out of 10 times.

Well, I needed the Wagner for my set, but not the Cobb...so I'm partially to blame. Still lost it though.

Leon 01-28-2024 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron Seefeldt (Post 2408399)
I found it interesting (puzzling?) that the e106 Wagner batting in Heritage last night sold for more than the e106 Cobb leaning in bat. While it was $120 more for the Wags, I thought the Cobb to be in better condition although I’m biased as I bought the Cobb (both are pictured below). Have we reached the point where Wags outsells Cobb in similar (non Wagner portrait) issues? If so, I’ll take Cobb 10 out of 10 times.

Besides the crease, Cobby has a nice bright look to it. Congrats!
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BeanTown 01-29-2024 10:13 PM

Aaron, very nice Cobb and Congrats. I was thinking the same thing on the Novelty Cutlery postcards, where the Wagner went higher than the Cobb.

toothcutter 02-18-2024 01:01 PM

m116 sporting life blue Wagz going strong in REA...

Peter_Spaeth 02-18-2024 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by toothcutter (Post 2413975)
m116 sporting life blue Wagz going strong in REA...

It would not surprise me if someone is trying to pump up the value of this issue. I have one out for trade, not complaining, but I find the trend odd in light of where the overall market seems to be.

Rhotchkiss 02-18-2024 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2413982)
It would not surprise me if someone is trying to pump up the value of this issue. I have one out for trade, not complaining, but I find the trend odd in light of where the overall market seems to be.

Peter, my gut is if you put your Wagner up for sale, rather than trade, you would get big value. It’s tough to trade a card of that value. Also, many times I put a card on the BST asking $X, and after getting no bites, consigned it to an AH where I get 130%-200% of $X. BST is not always the best place to sell such a major card.

Peter_Spaeth 02-18-2024 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss (Post 2414014)
Peter, my gut is if you put your Wagner up for sale, rather than trade, you would get big value. It’s tough to trade a card of that value. Also, many times I put a card on the BST asking $X, and after getting no bites, consigned it to an AH where I get 130%-200% of $X. BST is not always the best place to sell such a major card.

I don't disagree, but I still don't think these levels (we will see where the REA one ends up, it's 60 pre vig now) are sustainable for this issue.

Cooper1927 02-18-2024 05:03 PM

I’m waiting to see what happens in overtime. A lot of them have shot up in extended bidding.


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Casey2296 02-18-2024 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2414020)
I don't disagree, but I still don't think these levels (we will see where the REA one ends up, it's 60 pre vig now) are sustainable for this issue.

Modern money is making a bet on Wagner cards right now.

IMAXMAX 02-18-2024 08:25 PM

1964 Peñafiel
 
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I finally picked up my first Wagner card at auction last night.
Although not from his playing days(or even Pre-War for that matter), it is multiple times more rare than his almighty T206.

1964 Peñafiel from Mexico:::

theshowandme 02-19-2024 07:54 AM

$75k!

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=168537

Touch'EmAll 02-19-2024 09:04 AM

Was watching the T206 Matty, dark cap, PSA 5, really nice for the grade. Basic Piedmont back. Ended w/bp 7800. - OMG. Has to be a new all time high for that card in that grade ! Has the pre-war market bottomed and now trending up in 2024?

Neal 02-19-2024 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Casey2296 (Post 2414074)
Modern money is making a bet on Wagner cards right now.

I agree.

Also, the pop on a PSA 5 and higher is 14.

Besides the T206 and M116, I can only think of only a few issues that depict a playing age Wagner that actually looks like him. I am far from an expert on prewar, but he just doesn't have too many really nice-looking cards.

The ultra-modern market can be manipulated rather easily, and I expect to now see a bunch of Wagners hitting the market. From M116 and beyond ....

jsfriedm 02-19-2024 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Touch'EmAll (Post 2414149)
Was watching the T206 Matty, dark cap, PSA 5, really nice for the grade. Basic Piedmont back. Ended w/bp 7800. - OMG. Has to be a new all time high for that card in that grade ! Has the pre-war market bottomed and now trending up in 2024?

If that was the bottom, it wasn't much of a bottom.

Peter_Spaeth 02-19-2024 10:31 AM

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What does this do, if anything, for the pastel?

Lorewalker 02-19-2024 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal (Post 2414164)
Besides the T206 and M116, I can only think of only a few issues that depict a playing age Wagner that actually looks like him. I am far from an expert on prewar, but he just doesn't have too many really nice-looking cards.

Huh? Wagner has many playing age cards. LOL. Not sure if you are referring to him or the card not being nice looking but imo many of his playing age cards are good looking cards.

Neal 02-19-2024 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker (Post 2414185)
Huh? Wagner has many playing age cards. LOL. Not sure if you are referring to him or the card not being nice looking but imo many of his playing age cards are good looking cards.

As I mentioned, he doesn't have many cards that look like him, save the few I had mentioned. Just my opinion. Your opinion may be different, and that is okay.

packs 02-19-2024 02:15 PM

I've always liked the M101 and Collins McCarthy sets for having actual photos of Wagner.

Rhotchkiss 02-19-2024 03:47 PM

I think Wagner portrait are particularly desirable, considering his portrait is the most famous in all of baseball cards. Personally, aside from the t206, I think the Tip Top is THE one to own given it’s the closest thing to the T206 pose out there. We had that poll A while ago and I think the E90-2 finished first, followed by the Tip Top and the W600, but I do believe the blue M116 got many votes. It’s a great card.

Hankphenom 02-20-2024 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by theshowandme (Post 2414134)

Wha? Is it rarer than the Cobb and WaJo in that set?

packs 02-20-2024 02:07 PM

Hopefully cards will get too expensive soon and we'll see a trickle down into his autographs too. His signature is still pretty affordable for a universal tier one guy:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e7df48ae_z.jpg

ullmandds 02-20-2024 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom (Post 2414367)
Wha? Is it rarer than the Cobb and WaJo in that set?

no, it's not. There is definitely a perception that honus doesn't have a ton of cards to choose from. While I believe he has many...there are not nearly as many to choose from as cobbs...there's no question about that.

Portraits have been on fire last few years as they are similar to the t206.

to me...these prices are pretty crazy on m116's. i'm not sure if they are legit or being manipulated.

Peter_Spaeth 02-20-2024 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 2414379)
no, it's not. There is definitely a perception that honus doesn't have a ton of cards to choose from. While I believe he has many...there are not nearly as many to choose from as cobbs...there's no question about that.

Portraits have been on fire last few years as they are similar to the t206.

to me...these prices are pretty crazy on m116's. i'm not sure if they are legit or being manipulated.

Johnson has very few portrait cards and his M116 is far from abundant. No blue, but I bought a pastel not long ago for a tiny fraction of what a Wagner would now cost.

ullmandds 02-20-2024 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2414387)
Johnson has very few portrait cards and his M116 is far from abundant. No blue, but I bought a pastel not long ago for a tiny fraction of what a Wagner would now cost.

you're usually one step ahead of the pumpers, Pete! I've always liked m116's for their more realistic images over t206 and their relative scarcity comparatively.


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