There's nothing better in life when a Net54 member has an issue with another Net54 member and that other Net54 member comes on here to explain their side. Oh hell yeah.
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This is how BST typically works well (I’m not a lawyer, nor play one on TV, so this is not legal advice, and all are welcome to correct any errors or omissions):

1. Seller posts card, description, price, and statement: ‘I’ll take it’ supersedes all ongoing discussions (there’s good reason some post this disclaimer).
2. Potential Buyer posts reply to listing or PMs Seller: ‘I’ll take it.’
3. Seller PMs the potential Buyer either that a sale is already pending and thus their ‘I’ll take it’ is unfortunately declined, or the payment method details if they’re 1st in queue, asks Buyer to make payment in a specified time period to lock in the deal, as well as asks for Buyer’s email, shipping carrier preference, and address. Good faith assumption is made by Seller that payment will be made by the potential Buyer from their ‘I’ll take it’ post, regardless of whether or not they hear back from potential Buyer before #5 below. Potential Buyer makes good faith assumption they will be sold the card if Seller responds to them and doesn’t explicitly decline their ‘I’ll take it’ reply.
4. Potential Buyer PMs the Seller asap with requested info from #3 and notes when payment will be made and cleared.
5. Seller replies ‘Sale Pending’ to their listing. Anyone else in BST replying they’ll take it, or on any other platform tries to claim it takes their respective place in the potential Buyer queue.
6. Potential Buyer makes payment and once cleared becomes the rightful owner by transfer of their property (money) for Seller’s property (advertised card).
7. Seller confirms Buyer’s payment clears their bank, completing part 1 in the transfer of property. Then replies ‘Sold’ to their listing.
8. Buyer PMs the Seller their email, shipping carrier preference, and address to Seller.
9. Seller emails pics of the card to the Buyer in current state and time stamped, pics in its secured packaging, then ships the card to Buyer. Seller then PMs and/or emails the shipping tracking info to the Buyer. Both monitor shipping status and keep lines of communication open as needed.
10. Card arrives to Buyer and part 2 in the transfer of property is complete.

Well John, if you ever post in certain posts, you will be made to reveal your full name by board rules. I can get your contact information with one click. If I'm interested or you are in BST I have everything. If you don't think your information can't be breached here you may want to buy my ocean front property in Missouri.

On the conceptual issue, I have never had a real issue in any forum's BST and it's not difficult. Transactions have been smooth and easy almost every single time I've sold on a forum from giving away cheap stuff for free to ~$10K deals. If I'm worried about it I do, adapted from my 'get-out-of-jail-free' clause from another hobby where discretion is more important, throw in a line at the end that I reserve the right to decline to do business with any person for any reason or no reason, so that I don't have to be 'obligated' to deal with someone who I am suspicious is going to try and make an issue or I suspect is going to be needlessly difficult. Whether one sells to the first "I will take it" or to the first responder who wants to talk about it, both are reasonable and not worth great thought or hand wringing. It is really not difficult to do basic transactions without drama. Although the dramatic meltdowns and frivolous imaginary lawsuits is a lot of fun when I'm not in the transaction.

I would estimate that well over 95% of the sales I've made have not had someone post "I'll take it" on the thread. The vast majority have just been someone sending me a PM indicating they wanted to buy something.

Well, in three years and nearly 500 posts I've never made any posts that necessitate my full name.

I may be wrong, but I don't see how you can find my personal information thru Net54 with one click.

And I'm not paranoid about being breached - I just don't think that buying/selling on the BST should require me to share with everyone my address, paypal, etc. which your plan requires unless I'm mistaken.

John, I think he is saying that if your full name and a location are listed for you, it's not too hard to find an address and phone number for someone through various online sites. It's not that all of your information is available through net54.

If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. I just did a quick search on your posts, and you should have been made to post your full name "New COMC Issues?" was one that you needed to have your full name to post in.

That makes sense but isn't really applicable for me as I don't have my full name listed here, and as a somewhat retiring high schooler I haven't populated the internet with my information yet. (And I just googled to make sure LOL.)

Yes. I know that. And I've never written anything concerning a person or company and don't plan on doing so either. And not because I'd be freaked out about people knowing my last name - I just don't have anything to say concerning people or companies.

This conversation probably isn't worth the bother but it's a nice break from number crunching for fantasy baseball prep.

Correct. Thanks. Many of us have posted things that come up from here on a simple Google search. Along with much information as well.

This place is for sharing. "Privacy" is not belonging to social media, which this is a form of.

John, it's good to know there are some younger collectors on the board. Someone has to be around to buy all of the stuff we older guys have some day.

It is definitely hard to stay anonymous online, especially as you get older. There are just too many things that end up having to be done online (or are just so much more convenient and easy to do online) that eventually, some amount of personal information becomes available.

"New COMC Issues?" Was the first I found from your posts, and I stopped. You also posted about a person passing, but didn't care to see who. I can go back farther if you would like? Not trying to bust your balls, but yes you have posted in both. You got passed Leon. Consider yourself lucky.

John1941 net54 try a Google search. Everything you posted in will show up.

I screen shot a few things for you.

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If you read the FAQ carefully, you'll see that Leon says you can't remain anonymous if you want to criticize or accuse a person or company. You can discuss a person or company anonymously as long as you're not ghost-attacking them. My post in "New COMC issues" was about how I liked buying from COMC despite their shipping issues - praise, not criticism. And as far as I know, I've never criticized or accused anyone... though who knows, maybe if you look carefully enough through all my posts, you'll find something.

You don't need to do a Google search to find all the posts someone made on net54. Just click on their username to go to their Profile page, click on the Statistics tab and you'll see a link for Find all posts by xxxx

Actually, it's even easier than that. Just click on their username and a window pops up that gives you the option to Find all posts by xxxx

Is the letter "I" even the real first letter of your last name? :p


Theme to Perry Mason - if you don't know what that is, then don't bother playing it.
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I'm showing him how anyone can find his info. Not just here. I know how to do so here.

This bolded in the header at the top of the page, and it say quote:

If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it.

Cool. Good luck with enforcing those rules.

But when it comes to burner accounts, those are definitely not allowed around here under the existing rules, and will even get you banned PDQ. So that solution is DOA.

Um, but you're not showing me how anyone can find my info, you're just showing how people can find my posts on Net54. Anyone is welcome to read my posts from here :D

Which is just a quick and dirty formulation of what the FAQ states comprehensively. A summary of something doesn't supersede the full/rigorous formulation. The FAQ makes clear that it's only anonymous negative statements about a person or company that are verboten.

Here:
"Anonymous, where this board is concerned, implies that you are not known to the moderator or anyone else. That is not permitted on Net54baseball. However, you may remain private on the board; otherwise, as long your post is not argumentative, controversial, confrontational, accusatorial etc.…For example you can discuss attributes of cards, sets or memorabilia and stay private. You can not say someone is an imbecile, hard to deal with, gave poor service etc…and remain private on the board. In addition to that if your opinion is that you dislike someone, hate them, can’t stand or don’t like anything about them, and you want to tell the world about it on Net54baseball, then your full name will need to be in your post."

I just showed you how.

Well, Leon may say differently. Ask me how I know.

You didn't find any personal information about him.

I find it creepy for you to substantially rewrite your posts in edit after a good chunk of time has passed. When you originally posted this there was nothing about my post in "New COMC issues." (What I quoted in post #170 is your original post in its entirety.)

Chad, if it's so easy to know everything about me, what is my last name exactly?

And if you can't tell me my name in three days you'll have to give me your first-born child. Rumplestiltskin rules.

Vintage Vern, who had an over the top tantrum similar to the OP of this thread because he didn't get a card he wanted just recently, trying to redesign the B/S/T, scold John who is a great guy and more mature than most of us adults and doesn't make controversial posts, over forum rules and trying to track him online to find his address and last name to prove a tiny point nobody cares about is just the cherry on top to this thread. Hilarious.

Sure I did. His name, and location. I did it on my wife's phone. I could find it with photos as well as the blog he belongs to if I wanted to sign up to see his full account. Not knowing what he had to show to write there. That's not important just a perk. I can pay what 19 bucks, and pretty much show up on a door step. I might not even need that. A guy at work couldn't believe how easy I found his parents and sister without much info at all. Trust me it's not hard. We all can be found, that's the point.

Do you understand when you post your full name, it will take me 20 minutes. See most of us have to. You by board rules should as well. You're lucky so far flying under the radar not that I care. I'm pointing that out to you.

Nice redirect, and phantom crying on a tantrum that didn't happen on my end, just one you created in your own tiny brain if we can call it that, and couldn'tlet it go. Talk about maturity, and a bug up your ass. Your above post shows just how easy your misrepresentation of facts don't stop your stupidity.


LOL, yes I'm scolding a person by pointing out how easy it is for us on this private site to be worried about publicly stating "I want it" vs doing so by DM.
You caught the Tater!

I hate to break it to you, but board rules are for all, and even the great guys have to follow them.

Do you understand how creepy you're being?

Also, I have no idea what you're talking about with "signing up to see my full account" and paying 19 bucks.

I'm not sure what you're talking about now. Are you saying that by Googling his net54 username and listed location (Texas), you were able to find his full name and address? All you posted were a few of his net54 threads.

Mhm. You realize you are currently estalking a minor across the web to get his personally identifying information and location, right? I think that should be against the board rules (you'd think it wouldn't even need to be a formal rule!). Can we ban this guy for being a creep?

Turns out I'm John Rice Carter (1941-). Busted.

If you think someone is not following the rules of the board, report it to Leon. It's not your job to tell someone directly because it's not your opinion that matters.

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I will take it

I'm saying this isn't some private haven. It started because some tried to make it a point people don't want to publicly state I'll take it in the BST forum which is actually protected outside of members if I'm not mistaken unlike the main board.

That's the reasoning behind wanting to use the DM vs the original post in BST to buy items, and how many want to stay incognito.

I was then linked a post Showing your collections/room off to others by if im not mistaken John. which was kind of funny. It pops up on Google, and so did everyone and everything posted. Even the people that wouldn't show people, just actually showed people. If your name, and location are on your posts along with your bio, what you collect, what your looking for, who you've had the pleasure of buying or selling to, and from.

Yes, we can be found out easily from people not even here on the board. I didn’t look for John, I said I could if that was my want, and desire. Its not, but many of us aren't hard to gather info on to those that want to.

John's last name isn't at this time listed, but a simple board search shows he's dodged the bullet so far, because the email I received has exactly what I posted, and what is bolded at the top of each page.

You must know a lot about this minor. Maybe we need to turn the attention to you? I think you may be listed as someone more than a creep.

Leon will do it on his own. Do you see my full name? Guess who and why! I don't care. I was pointing it out because John said he didn't have his full name. He has done nothing more then I did to have to have my full name required. That's all. That was brought up to point out it's required once you do what the bold states for board policy. That lead to if your full name and place of residence its not hard to pull off how to get to the goods.

You are literally estalking a kid and describing your process in this thread tonight. It's really funny, but seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you lol

This thread has it all. Baseless lawsuits, last word freaks, estalking and everything in between. My bag of popcorn is empty, but the thread just keeps on giving.


IMO this is how every card deal should go down for some comic relief. In super serious times of dodging bullets and very serious lawsuits.

https://www.tiktok.com/@altxyzoffici...31260587412778

LOL showing you how nieve you are is creepy?

Oh boy. Do you understand everything you have here can put you on the map? Did you not link to a blog you post to in your bio? Since I don't belong I have no idea what info you linked nor do I care others may go that direction to help link info to you.

I'm stating each part you add is a piece of the puzzle for someone online to link to you. It may actually hold your name or family members or any other part of your so called private life.

Just so you understand for about 20 bucks I can find out almost everything about anyone I want, and so can you. I showed a friend of mine how easy I could find his elderly parents and sibling, and it took me no money, and about 5 minutes. He was shocked I could find his parents so easily. Their ages, first names, addresses, ages, family members, and neighbors. He was shocked because they had no online accounts or today's gadgets. Anyone can do this with little information.

I'm simply trying to point out, we can be found, and the link you posted to "Showing your collections/room off to others" is on Google for all to see. That's all it takes. Many have both their names, and locations, "ones that don't show off their collections as well". Yet they do, and don't even know it. Some even mentioned their security systems and guns. Yet some think saying, I'll take it on the BST post is blasphemy vs doing so via DM. That was the proof that was given to me about how people don't want to show what they have. Many people do it without even knowing they're doing it by simply posting day after day.

That was entertaining reading.

Regardless of which side you're on regarding the actual card sale, the "I'll see you in court" line is just a classic.
I'd love to see an actual lawyer laugh this "case" out of their office. ;):D

THAT is the best post of this thread.

I like both Cody and Jonathan a lot, sorry this happened.

There is at least one person frequently posting to this thread who I wish would get banned from the site, though.

Doug "I badmouthed somebody, so here's my full name" Goodman

The reason full names are asked for in these situations
 

Go back to the very old Full Count Board days (pre-Net 54) where that message board dissolved into a morass of name calling and the focus on vintage cards went away.

The rule, and it is in my opinion, is the posting of a real name if you make certain comments is one which has made this board stronger because if you say something you are, in a way, asked to back it up instead of just typing where no one knows who you are.

John, on this one, you frankly don't have a leg to stand on and there are ways to disguise your name with a symbol here and there. There are people on the board who do that which does help prevent the google searches. Look at how Vintage Vern and Brent G did their names as examples.

Regards
Rich

Who has always posted with his name on this board

THAT is the best post of this thread.

Again, what's creepy is you know this person is a minor, yet pivot it back on someone else as "having something wrong with them" creepers gonna creep is the old saying. Keep it up creeper.

Here is your MO, turn what you do to others back on them and then play the victim, and whine about others. Every thread you're involved in you do the exact same thing, and turn it into anything but constructive dialog. Your go to is everyone throws a tantrum, gaslighting them, and twisting others words to fit your narrative, and turning the dialog into something it wasn't. Congrats.

Posts 125,131,132,134,140, 152 a very important one, then comes post 163 then post 166 when confusion starts and I try to show a person how nieve they are up to the point you again stick your nose in on my posts without an invite. Here's the kicker post 167 someone else pointed him in the right direction to what I was alluding to yet it kept going becausehe couldn't grasp something simple. Even after post 171. 173 was there to show how he has actually broken the rule of having a full name applied which he would then be exposed, by what I'm saying all of us are exposed to. Reason being, he claimed he did no such thing for needing his full name here. Actually untrue. Not that I care or need to keep explaining myself to you or others that don't follow what is being relayed in honest dialog.

Please....

If an advanced alien civilization read some of these recent threads as an example of our civilization, they’d definitely just pass us by.

Oh, that'll do Phil. That'll do.

This thread still has 5000+ fewer views than the previous recent etiquette thread. :eek:

On the other hand, if they read the T206 threads, or the "auction house question" threads, they'll be impressed. :eek:

The original rules have not been updated since almost the beginning of this iteration of the forum. They will be. "Any" comment, is the correct verbiage and the rules wording will be amended asap.
Approximately 3-4 yrs ago, a major auction house (and advertiser) employee was shilling his own companies auctions, anonymously.That is when the rule changed and he and I had a chat about it.

Edit....The FAQs on the forum have now been updated and shortened a little bit.

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Anonymous, where this board is concerned, implies that you are not known to the moderator or anyone else. That is not permitted on Net54baseball.

If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it.

Members can discuss attributes of cards, sets or memorabilia and stay private.The moderator may put the members name on the forum or delete their posts, at their sole discretion, when this rule is not adhered to. Tense debates will require first and last names to be known, and made public. Names can be scrambled to be unsearchable, but they must be decipherable. Contact information will be given out for legal reasons or under extraordinary circumstances at the discretion of the moderator.. There are no age requirements on the forum however, you must be 18 years of age to participate in the Buy, Sell, Trade areas, or have a parent or legal guardian contact the moderator for approval first. Registered members may also receive periodic, infrequent, industry related emails. Members may opt out of these by clicking the unsubscribe button.[/B]

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It's only been 24 hours for this thread. Give it time.

Aliens would wonder what was at the very core of the existence of this site, and imagine their surprise when they'd discover it all boiled down to men, mostly long dead, hitting little balls with sticks.

And they'd marvel that the desire for an image of these dead men with balls and sticks could spark heated arguments and threats of legal action, as others watch the horror unfold.

used to be show called name that tune..

people could name a tune in 5 notes unless the contestant could believe they could name it in less based on a few hints.

for this post...the whole conflict could of been solved in under 20 posts...and all of the issues expressed .....

One of the greatest Honeymooner's episodes IMO was when Ralph goes on the show.

The show Ralph went on, IIRC, is the $99,000 Answer.

He chose music as his category

Rich

Ah OK same concept though. Was it not hysterical?

The way things are going, they're probably going to do that anyway.

But 16% of the posts in this thread, are yours.

And 13% of the posts you have ever made on net54 are in this thread.

35 posts.


I'm tempted to delete this post before I submit it (as referenced in the last post I made to the board) but sometimes I just can't stop myself for pointing out...

Doug (sometimes less than a) Goodman

Too late. Posterity.

Hahaha. I'm not sure that I have ever deleted a comment I made after I posted it, it's only before I post that I delete them.

I will admit being wrong when I am shown to be, but I seldom regret my words or deeds.

Pretty sure you’re spot-on here :)

At least you have some sense of decorum and self-awareness

Don't we need a special FAQ rules section for aliens.

Of all the 39, it's one of the very best if not the best. My favorite line though is when Norton tries to teach Ralph to play golf and they go "Hello, Ball"

The one where he gets into an accident on the way to receiving a safety award is up there.

Rich, absolutely correct. Upon legal advise that I faced a potential liability for sponsoring the forum, I felt it necessary to shut it before somebody got killed. Joking, of course, but things got nasty fast and vintage cards went somewhere else.
Leon, you and I talked about this many moons ago at the National.

Thanks Rich - I previously didn't understand the rule. Now that you've said that and Leon has updated the FAQ, I've added my full name in all its Italian-American splendor.

Or see us in court.

Probing of any kind is not allowed.

BST Viewing
 

The BST viewing changed about a yr ago. You don't have to be logged in to see it anymore. Of course, to post, you still have to either be a registered member or a scammer/troll. Watch out for the latter.... :eek:

My two cents from a contract law perspective. It appears to me that an important (I.e. “material”) payment term was not included in the seller’s initial BST post. Hence, his initial post was not an offer (which must include all material terms) that could be accepted (to form an actual agreement) with a simple “I will take it.” So seller is free to negotiate with anyone he wants, and sell to the first buyer able to satisfy all material terms. In other words, seller has no obligation to wait for any potential buyers to get back to him.

With all that said, there is a lot of confusion because contract law principles are not being followed on this board. I tried to warn some with my posts in that other thread. For example, some here believe the words “I will take it” seals the deal and binds the parties. That’s not always the case.

The key is the wording on the seller’s initial post. Does it leave out any material terms? If so, it’s not an offer. It’s an invitation to negotiate, and the buyer who is fastest to complete the deal gets the prize.

EDIT: for the layman, a term is “material” in a contract when it’s a condition that if not met, is a deal breaker for either party.

Any succesful lawsuits against ebay sellers and their "pricing mistakes"? If so, it could lead to a precedent, without it, I doubt anyone would feel obligated to keep their word, even if over a few lousy bucks.

You should post these legal critiques directly in BST threads. “This transaction between hobby friends violates contract law principles!” Cue Debbie Downer and the muted trombone.

This particular transaction was fine ~ nothing was violated except the expectation of the buyer (due to the reasons I stated).

Sadly for me, the stuff I post for sale isn’t in demand enough to spark legal arguments by prospective buyers, over who gets to buy it and who doesn’t. :(

Welcome to the club, I'm happy when I get one buyer.