Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2186592)

Or the price umbrella that the fraud creates makes money for them.

Originally Posted by japhi (Post 2186589)

I posted similar on the CU boards, that in a hobby full of crooks this will have no impact on BBCE. We tolerate criminals and cheats to get the best stuff, why would anyone hold a hobby good guy that made a mistake to a higher standard?

All that said, for me this make me wonder how much bad product is under BBCE wrap. Maybe we have put too much faith in their ability to authenticate product that will never be opened. I mean how hard would it really be to rewrap a pack, box or case. Clearly not that hard.

Originally Posted by Eric72 (Post 2186595)

Agreed. In those cases, they're collecting money. You know that saying about the love of money and the root of all evil...

Originally Posted by Eric72 (Post 2186595)

Agreed. In those cases, they're collecting money. You know that saying about the love of money and the root of all evil...

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2186599)

Not accusing anyone here specifically, but my belief is there has been a huge conspiracy of silence in the hobby about fraudsters for exactly this reason. Insiders have known for years who's doing what to cards.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2186583)

Ironic that this forum seems to have more contempt for an honorable guy like Steve Hart who admittedly fucked up than the countless criminals trimming and otherwise altering cards, knowingly selling altered cards, knowingly GRADING altered cards, shilling auctions, knowingly selling fake memorabilia, and so forth.

Originally Posted by Lorewalker (Post 2187997)

Of course. The transparency of people is stunning...and not in a good way. The criminals who trim and shill are offering things most of the hobby needs. As long as you are offering them cards on they need and you can ship them quickly and affordably, it is super easy to look the other way for fraud. Steve only has value to a small part of the hobby.

Originally Posted by Lorewalker (Post 2187997)

Of course. The transparency of people is stunning...and not in a good way. The criminals who trim and shill are offering things most of the hobby needs. As long as you are offering them cards on they need and you can ship them quickly and affordably, it is super easy to look the other way for fraud. Steve only has value to a small part of the hobby.

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg (Post 2188009)

I'm sorry, who is looking the other way exactly? Are you talking about certain dealers, or auction houses or what?

Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 2188046)

Law enforcement?



Any collector who has held his nose and dealt with the likes of PWCC?

Originally Posted by lowpopper (Post 2187991)

Originally Posted by CollectorCMC (Post 2189533)

how is that a 10 perforated if it has been trimmed?

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg (Post 2188108)

I'd say you are 0 for 2 there but let's see what Mr. Walker has to say.

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Originally Posted by lowpopper (Post 2190083)

it has perforations on top, right, and bottom. left side is the edge of the sheet. it's a beauty

Originally Posted by Ray Van (Post 2190112)

To my eye, no way that should be a 10. Perforations or no perforations.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2190121)

Here's one with actual perforations. Right side, not left, is the edge of the sheet. Calling BS on that 10 until proven wrong.

Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 2190123)

What part is BS? Sure looks to have a 10 on the slab unless it is photoshopped.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2190134)

Every word of this, for starters.

"it has perforations on top, right, and bottom. left side is the edge of the sheet. it's a beauty"

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2190121)

Here's one with actual perforations. Right side, not left, is the edge of the sheet. Calling BS on that 10 until proven wrong.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2190121)

Here's one with actual perforations. Right side, not left, is the edge of the sheet. Calling BS on that 10 until proven wrong.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2190190)

Right, but I assume from the raw cards that Ben and I posted, as well as my knowledge of Si for Kids sheets, you get major perforations when you separate them manually.

Originally Posted by lowpopper (Post 2190209)

Perforations can be scored before separation to limit the fibers from separating roughly

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2190218)

How is that not altering the card? It should be an AUTH, as are many of the SI Kids cards that have been done that way.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 2186490)

He's of a certain generation. Maybe he doesn't follow social media/Pokemon forums/whatever.

Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 2190222)

I'm of a certain generation (and I don't like it). I don't even know Pokemon forums existed.

Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 2190221)

It is just a cleaner way of separating the cards before the perforations are trimmed almost completely off. I say it looks good enough for a Purple sticker.

Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 2190244)

Charizard? Who gives a shit? What's next, Garbage Pail Kids?

Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 2190244)

Charizard? Who gives a shit? What's next, Garbage Pail Kids?

Originally Posted by Lorewalker (Post 2211923)

The ever awesome Logan Paul in "hobby" news again.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/loga...ycsrp_catchall

Originally Posted by wolf441 (Post 2212127)

I am patiently waiting for his 15 minutes to be up.