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Greminger is high on my list of favorite T213-1's. It was one of the final four on my wantlist.
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Rob Greminger is also one of my favorites. But, I haven't had any luck getting his 1910 COUPON card. PSA pop report lists only 1. How many Greminger cards are listed in the SGC pop report data ? --------https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...duRedSun25.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...uRedSun25b.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...remingerOM.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...LDMILLx25b.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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It looks like the SGC pop report only shows one graded Greminger, an SGC 30. The one I have is raw, from a board member who was working on the SL'er subset. At least a couple of collectors are trying to complete, or have completed the SL subset, which makes it even tougher to find cards like Greminger. From an old scan, here is the Breitenstein I have, along with a few others. I need to scan all of my T213's and post them to my flickr page.
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Ted, here's an old picture of the backs from 5 or 6 years ago. I have been able to upgrade many of the cards with back damage. For the ones I have, there are all types of back damage, usually dime size in the middle from album removal. Most of the ones I have are clean backs.
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Rob Thanks for displaying all the cards in your set. It looks like you have only about couple of cards with what I refer to as the "typical paper loss" like my 4 cards shown here. Here's my theory on why these T213 cards have this type of paper loss. The American Tobacco Co. (ATC) introduced the "COUPON" brand circa 1909-1910. ATC packaged these cigarettes in Cartons (11" x 3" x 2") containing approx. 200 cigarettes. American Litho issued these 1910 COUPON cards in the Spring/Summer of 1910. Some cards were inserted inside the cartons, and others were pasted on the outside of the cartons. Here are 4 of my 1910 COUPON cards that exhibit this paper loss. My "show-piece" is the Doolan card, as it exposes cardboard residue from the Cigarette carton which it was glued on. The back of this Doolan card appears to confirm my above stated theory. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...poncobb50x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edCobb75xb.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...sedkcap38x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...apChase50b.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eitenstein.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...itensteinB.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...PONDoolanX.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Doolan19xB.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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.https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...yFoster11x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...vereign12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...gsSGC60x12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...DGsgc60x13.jpg I'm running out of "unique" CARDS to display. So, I will switch to my unique CARS. In post #1087 is my "rare bird", a 1957 T-Bird, which I have enjoyed driving since 1972 when I acquired it from a car mechanic in Breton Woods, NJ. I refer to it as "rare" because I have seen only one other one with Willow Green paint. In 1957, Ford produced approx. 21,000 T-Birds....approx. 200 were Willow Green. My 1960 T-Bird is also Willow Green (just a coincidence). There are many Antique Car Shows here in Pennsylvania and I have attended many of them through out the years yet I have never seen another 1960 Willow Green T-Bird. Perhaps, mine is "unique" here on the East coast. If I were on the West coast, all bets are off :) https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...RDwoodshed.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...mbattennis.jpg Hey guys.....I have some interesting experiences with these two "American Heavy Metal" machines. If you are interested, I will post one or two of them :) TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Whoa !
One more to go....this "gem" was my first T206 DRUM (acquired in 1985). For many years it was a unique T206. In recent years, I sold this Moeller card to a good friend on Net54, which completed his T206 Tobacco backs run. Now in the PSA pop report there is one graded A. And in the SGC pop report there is one graded A. These 2 may be the same one, appearing twice because it was crossed-over. Or, there may be two different ones known now. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...oellerdrum.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...oellerdrum.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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A Net54 reader emailed me, requesting a story regarding my T-Bird(s).
So, here is an experience that I have never forgotten. I'm driving to work in the 1957 Thunderbird on the Garden State Parkway (circa 1977). I had the stick-shift in Overdrive, and before I realize it, I'm cruising at 75 mph. Suddenly, I see flashing lights in my side-view mirror. It's a NJ State Trooper. As I head for the shoulder, he turns off his lights as he pulls along side me, and from his Loud Speaker I hear.... "Do you want to sell your T-Bird ?" I shake my head indicating.... "No". Then he says.... "I'll pay you, whatever you want for it." I nod again a.... "No". Then he says.... "I don't blame you". And, waves to me and takes off. Well guys, that was a scary experience, since NJ in 1975 had lowered the Speed Limit to 55 mph. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ereign12xx.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...vereign12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...lCYoung12x.jpg The American Tobacco Company's "signature" image in the white-border Tobacco card family is the Red Cobb. The American Lithographic Co. printed the Red Cobb with 29 different tobacco advertisements (T206, T213, T214 and TY COBB back). The only white-border Tobacco card sets that do not include the Red Cobb are the T215 RED CROSS set of 96 subjects **. And strangely enough, it's "cousin" set, the T215 "PIRATE" set of 96 cards (which does NOT include any Cobb cards in it). ** Note...... The Cobb (bat off shoulder) is included in the T215 RED CROSS set. Jamie's (Blunder19) tremendous Red Cobb run is complete with all 29 of these white-bordered cards, which were printed with the various Tobacco advertisements. Show us your favorite Red Cobb's. My favorite for several reasons is the elusive SOVEREIGN 460. This Red Cobb is a difficult front / back combination to find. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CobbSGCx50.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...obbSGCx50b.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
Nice one Ted. Jaime's red Cobb back run is epic.
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Mine has a punch hole for easy key chain installation. According to the back, this practice was O.K. in its day.
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This'll be fun to see a bunch of cool Red Cobbs!
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Jamie’s red Cobb back run is probably the coolest t206 “thing” out there; I think it beats a 524 set.
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My only Red!
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We found this in my Grandpa's "Sock Drawer" years after he & Grandma passed. We NEVER knew had it and he NEVER said...
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Snowing here in Pennsylvania, so it's a good time to show my "snowflakes" Orange Cobb :)
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WOW ! .......these 1910 COUPON Cobb's...."It don't come easy" (to quote Ringo Starr).
So far, we've shown three of them. If we include Jamie's, Rob McK's & Jefferson Burdick's (in the NY Met) that accounts for six of these scarce Cobb's. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...poncobb50x.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edCobb75xb.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Still need a 1919 T213-3 Red Cobb Coupon...
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now i'm feeling like i'm being bullied into sharing this...
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Great card, Mark.
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thank you, gentlemen for your encouraging comments.
the t213-1 is probably my very favorite simply because i never thiught i would acquire one! though, of course i am also quite fond of the lenox, since it was the first one of my "odd-backs." very nice card chris! i wish mine had the borders your does. and, johnny v, isn't it about time you shared your special red cobb? still a favorite of mine (even tho you own it now/again}! |
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Here's a red Cobb with a hint of red ink spotting on it's back, apparently due to "wet ink" transfer.
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Being from Georgia I'm a big fan of Cobb and Bobby Jones
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Woah! That's a whole bunch of awesomeness.
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And, here we have the red Cobb with the SOVEREIGN 350 back which was printed with "apple green" ink.
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In this current "crazy Cobb environment", I took Kenny Rogers famous advice regarding cards.....
" You've got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them " Here is (was) my nicest looking red Cobb card, which was in my SWEET CAPORAL Factory #30 set for many years. I acquired this Cobb in the 1990's. And, in recent times I sold it for an offer which I could not refuse. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ges/acobb8.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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The one in my set.
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Hey guys,
Some really great red Cobb's on display here. Keep on posting more of them. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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This red Cobb is by no means a favorite of mine; however, I'm posting it anyhow as an example of an occasional PSA blunder :)
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That's just a data error when they did the label like these two.
Attachment 433640 But the graders are the ones that messed up on these two they both should have received a mk qualifier. They missed where someone made the 1 into a 3 on the Weimer and where someone drew an emblem on Nicholls uniform sleeve. Attachment 433641 Attachment 433642 |
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Not the prettiest red Cobb; however, it will do.....as it has the back I need for my SWEET CAP Factory #42 overprint run.
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It's time for me to show-off my unique red Cobb with an unusually rare LENOX back.
Now..... do not let the " MILITARY SERIES " on the back of this card confuse you :) After all, Cobb has been quoted as saying...." Baseball is like War ! " http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Cobb460x50.jpg ------http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...0xLENOXx50.jpg In my wild imagination, I expect that some day we will find a red Cobb with a T80 back on it. This may seem improbable; however, consider a printer confusing the T80 LENOX (backs) printing plates with the T206 LENOX plates. Both the T206 and T80 cards were printed concurrently (circa early Spring 1911). http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CMblankBx2.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...oCMblankBk.jpg The same type of printing mistake applies to this Cobb; however, it would be a UZIT back. Here Cobb is wielding his "weapon of War" :) http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...OLDMILLx75.jpg ------ http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...xUZITx50bk.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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This red Cobb with a PIEDMONT #42 back is a real beauty....however, it is not a real T206. But, it sure is a darn good reprint.
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Some say this Cobb is a T206, and others say not. In any event, it's absolutely a member of the ATC "signature" family.
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http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...duAB460x13.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...EPDGxOMx13.jpg Pictured here are the 6 toughest backs that were printed on the Exclusive 12 cards Depicted on some T206's are action poses which appear to be some what puzzling. For example, one of my favorite T206's, John McGraw (with glove). John's playing career as a player-Manager ended in 1906. This 460-Series card of him was printed and issued in late 1910 >> early 1911 (depending which Tobacco advertisement is on its back). It's kind of strange that he is portrayed with a glove, since he had not been a player for 4 years. Any thoughts why ? Actually, I do have a theory why. This McGraw card is a member of the Exclusive 12 group. It was printed with 13 different backs. His UZIT card (unique) is a relatively new find, which completed my run. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dHINDUsgcX.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ZITxSGC30x.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...loveUZITxb.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dHINDUsgcB.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...VxPd4xPBxx.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...SOVxPd4xPB.jpg Factory #42.....................Factory #42 http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...LxAB460xOM.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...xAB460xOMb.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tory30xx12.jpg . . . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...YCLE460x18.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...CLE460x18b.jpg Factory #30 OK guys....there are a few more such enigmatic T206 action poses in the set. Check-them-out, and show-n-tell us about them. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
Ted, I assume he's just being depicted/celebrated as a Manager, who was a former player, and wearing a glove probably during pre-game fungo or throwing drills, etc.
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Hi Mike....I like your take regarding "pre-game" activities. It' a good one.
McGraw's glove looks like a Catcher's mitt. So, perhaps he was getting a feel of his Pitchers stuff before the game. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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William "Spike" Shannon from Pennsylvania (Pennsylvanians dominate in the T206 set)
was a Major Leaguer for 5 years (1904 - 1908). Played 10 years in the Minor Leagues. His 350 Series card has been mistaken by some T206 collectors as a "horizontal" card. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...350Shannon.jpg There are only 6 cards that were printed with horizontal images. They are in the 150 Series. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...zontalt206.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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The "questionable" factor of these 2 cards** is not that they're questionable. But it's damn difficult to find them if you are working on
a run of the Elite 11 group. T206 PIEDMONT 350 cards normally aren't considered to be rare. But all 11 of these guys certainly are. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...iGanJonKar.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...sEPDGx25_1.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...anJonKarBk.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...lSchShaSpe.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...chShaSpeBk.jpg ** Dahlen (Boston) and ** Spencer are without a doubt the most difficult to find of the Elite 11 group. Here is the timeline of the transitional status of 10 of these players during the time American Lithographic started printing PIEDMONT 350 backs. Bill Dahlen............... Oct 27, 1909....signed by Brooklyn. [this may explain why Dahlen (Boston) was short-printed]. Bob Ewing............... Jan 10, 1910....traded to the Phillies Bob Ganley.............. May 18, 1909....traded to Philadelphia A's Tom Jones............... Aug 20, 1909....traded to Detroit Ed Karger................ June 9, 1909.....sold to St. Paul Saints (American Association) ............................. July 26, 1909....traded to Boston (AL) Vive Lindaman......... July 7, 1909....Major League career ends Carl Lundgren.......... Apr 23, 1909....Major League career ends Germany Schaefer.....Aug 13, 1909....traded to Washington Al Shaw.................. 1910....played with Wichita Jobbers (Western League) Tubby Spencer......... Circa July 1909....after catching 28 games with Boston, he quit them for the season [this may explain why Spencer was short-printed]. ............................. In 1910 he played for the St. Paul Saints (American Association). TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Since there haven't been any responses to this new topic which I started this time last nite, here's a friendly bump to the top and we'll see what develops.
In 1980, when Bill Heitman published his famous book, little did I know as I read it, I was metaphorically entering the "Hotel California". I have checked out several times (to other hobby interests) these past 40 years, but have always returned to T206's. As is obvious, having put together 5 near-complete (or complete sets) and numerous sub-sets. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...onsterBook.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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