Yeah I like to make aggressive first offers as well on cards I been looking for...I actually think first offers are usually the best cause they come from people actively looking for that card and try to get it before its snapped up..

when I make an offer and the card is listed for awhile and the seller comes back to me after a long while I usually offer less cause I assume the seller used my offer to try to get people to pay more and couldn't..thus I don't want to be heads and shoulder above everyone elses offer....less value for me at that point....and I believe I overvalued the product in the beginning and adjust for that.

National in Atlantic City
 

Why not set up a table & sell it all at the Atlantic City National in 2016 if you can wait that long ?

Jake, you should write a book. Seriously - a lot of your ideas are ground-breaking.

Scott - Ill let you know, cant wait for your first meaningful post...pins and needles...

1952- Are you one of Sean's midget bodyguards?

Sean- Nothing being re-hashed, why did you wait and call me a couple of weeks ago explaining that it was Greg's fault and you parted ways because of issues like mine all the while inquiring about a collection I still had. But you seem to forget you had Leon call me and threaten lawsuit etc etc. Yes maybe bad on Leon, but bad on you as well. Bad on me for sending Greg your cards. If I were you I would take what cash you have and invest in real estate because your card knowledge is lacking as well as your ethics in business and dealing with people. In my experience, if you have limited knowledge in a field you would like to get into to, you must conduct business ethically and as polite and follow through with return calls or emails. Otherwise you get cut from business with that person or franchise. If you have all of the knowledge and short on ethics and couth, then you will soon find yourself black-balled perhaps from a great source of wealth. Just my 2 cents. Take it and spend it however you wish.

Jason

For a thread that shouldn't even exist...atleast not in this section...it maybe time to make some popcorn!

To say you put a spin on events is an understatement. I'm beginning to think you are a compulsive liar.

Quit calling yourself 'Scott'.

I wonder if such people are offended by the term 'mental midget'? I'm sure they would be offended by your linking them to our budding author.

I like my popcorn unamused.

I love it.

Person "B" posts a blanket bid offering to beat Person "A" by 10%

Person "C" posts a blanket bid offering to beat Person "B" by 2%

Person "A" makes his offer public.

Person "B" backs out of his previous offer made.

Person "C" also backs out of his previous offer made.

Argument ensues.


Seriously, can someone pass me the popcorn?! :D

Hey now!! :D

lol

Sounds like person A is the force to be reckoned with. For the life of me, I can't figure out why the OP hasn't jumped all over the offer, because, to be quite frank, I just don't see $24,000 out there. Granted, it is extremely difficult to base a price based on a few pics. But if the $24,000 was indeed valid, then my hats off to Sean. He put an offer out there, and was met with crickets.

It's funny - one guy looks to sell his collection, and look where it leads too!

Maybe we can tell our wives that we have to keep our cards for the safety of society.

wrong on person C.....person B offered 0..person C offered 2% more than offer C.....if math is right..thats 0 too....


Also seller backed out and decided to take back what he said earlier about selling all at same time......Sean only one that had the opportunity to follow through and did ...everyone else backed out or didn't have the opportunity to back out

No....I think Jason had a pretty good handle on how it played out.

Sean

I am the liar seriously? I would also go out on a limb and say that Sean's offer of $24K is a farce. He would never go through with that offer. His mouth is overloading his arse again. Of course I could be wrong…..in that case the OP can thank me for his follow through because the only way he does it is to try to make a point or save face. Sean you just inquired about my collection of autographed cards, asked for tons of details which I provided, then over the phone admitted the last deal I sold you and you had me ship to Greg Morris was not a bad deal as Mr. Morris had said. Not re-hashing, but you contacted me…..13 months after you tried to sick Leon on me. Wonder why that partnership went south? I have never tried to harm any deals or your integrity until you tried to muscle the wrong person. You tried to bite off more than you could chew and it bit you in the arse. I hope you learn and move on. Perhaps once you eat some humble pie and an apology takes place I would be happy to help you out again. I told you where a couple of deals were…..I cannot help that some dealers will not deal or sell to you because of reputation. Perhaps that is why I can buy the same deals for 1/3 of the price. My piece is said and if you have anything else to "re-hash" as you say you have my number and of course there is private message of which Leon can see I am sure.


Take care,
Jason

An amicable parting is far from "going south". I echo my earlier sentiment.

OK Sean sure you do. Good luck in this business buddy.

It's confirmed....
 

Ralph knows how to get a thread going.

I don't know Sean (I have heard good and bad) but you are starting to look a bit petty.

As my 4-year-old sings all day..."Let it gooooo....Let it gooooo...."

Where is Nebraska located? US?

Yup, it's part of the country that is situated just North of the Republic of Texas. :D

Well, if the seller backed out over $24,000, then he obviously thinks his collection is worth more than it actually is. Typically Craig's Lister (albeit nicer cards), but still someone who values their stuff more than it actually is worth. My best advice is still sell stuff yourself. I know it is work. But you will see what the items actually bring. Most of your value is in the graded Ruth's.

Just a few observations.
_ I don't think the cards shown were all the cards there were if you look back at the original description.
_Seans offer seemed very fair, considerably higher that most dealer offers of a percentage basis, but on the other hand, there isn't a ton of chaff in this despite its grade. It is all stuff that can be sold in chunks and unlike, say, a 1969 Reggie Jackson Rookie, very few things that a dealer is likely to have a ton of duplication of.
- The seller might have decided to piece it out. On the one hand, he is essentially eliminating the middleman, on the other there are costs and considerable effort involved. The payday is probably between $2500-$5000 more than the offer, which if you are in no rush may or may not be worth it. He will almost certainly not get as much out of it as a dealer would.
_So long as I am sharing, I don't really like regular donuts. I am down for a good chocolate covered, or something like a vanilla Bismark, but the regular ones just seem doughy and not worth the calories.

I'm glad Leon let this one ride... it's been entertaining.

I'm a fan of those buttermilk donuts myself.

http://chicago.seriouseats.com/image...ut-vault-3.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/GJNX1U4.gif

A BIG +1 on letting the thread run and on those buttermilk donuts.

As far as the buyers people are focusing on 1 of them is so slimy I wont even enter into a free contest that they are the prize giver. 1 of them I had a very nice transaction with and 1 is a internet troll. Just my opinion and my name is Ben North and I approve this post.;)

Can't go wrong with a quality gas station apple fritter

Fair Warning
 

If a deal is ever consummated, this thread could still go postal as well. Hope we get tracking numbers.:D:D:D

LMFAO. I could say something smart, but I won't. As far as donuts, I just had one that had maple frosting topped with bacon bits. It was DELICIOUS!!

That's the IHOP Special without having to go the IHOP.

the guy did say "selling collection looking for a dealer".......so I think its logical to assume you was looking for a middleman...

He also said that he was retracting the desire to find a single buyer. It seems he realized that he was leaving too much money on the table doing it that way.

right I said he backed out...thus the buyers did not back out...seems though people disagree here that he left money on the table..sometimes first offer is best offer..

Ben

I hope you enjoyed the Ted Williams. Thanks for the business.

Jason

selling
 

Guys
lets calm down with all the nonsense and he said / she said ( although I find it extremely entertaining ! and if anyone doesn't want to stop..OK lets keep the laughs coming ! )

I would like to cut out the middleman and sell directly to a fellow lesser condition collector

I feel I will get more money,I feel I will get( hopefully) what I ask for,and I think it will be a fair price .

I know prices/values/grades pretty well. Im hoping it will work out that its a price that doesn't make a guy overpay..and on the other hand - not a price that in two weeks its on ebay for $900 more ( although ..if that happened, nothing I could do about it)

I am intrigued by Auction houses that will not take a cut of my profit at the end..but I just have the fear that..suppose its a " slow week" and the 1933 Goudey complete set only sells for 3,000. It would be tough to handle

Im still going thru offers and hope to eventually call back all who inquired

RalphG

Ralph, all that's well and good, but for heaven's sake, where do you stand on the donuts, man? :)

I still think I'd take the $24k. Then I'd buy some nice high-end graded cards with some of the money. Cards that would be easy to sell when I was gone, but I could enjoy in the meantime. And I don't think you can go wrong with a chocolate cake donut.

Ralph - I hope you stay in the hobby - I too have started selling off a few, but I'm not ready to liquidate all.

Frank - That's a classic I'm also LMAO

Luke - that looks delicious!

Frank
 

Hi Frank, your photos is hilarious. I hope there weren't any baseball cards in that vehicle.

All of this donut talk makes me want to head for the nearest Krispy Kreme for a maple glazed donut.

Rick

Maple Frosted from Dunkin' is MY donut of choice!

Time to make the donuts!

I moved to California…and they don't have Dunkin' Donuts out here!!!!!! I'm at my wit's end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Donuts are evil. Delicious evil.

Something to look forward to -- if you're headed to Chicago for the National, be sure to check out Do-Rite Donuts on W. Randolph Street! I'm going to power up for Fri/Sat/Sun with a Candied Maple Bacon!

Steve

Nothing beats the Boston Cream!

selling
 

Im taking the 24K ..moving to Colorado..and opening up one of those new all natural " specialty" stores !

Nice!! Tell Nancy Botwin we said hello!

Hot Krispy Kreme's

A fool and his "cards" will soon part...
 

Well, not really ...Im "sheepishly" announcing that I "can not" sell my collection.
I tried...went back and forth so many times...took advice/suggestions/offers from dozens and dozens of collectors/ dealers/buys/auctioneers,etc...

Every time I put another set in the shipping box...I took it back out .." No , I don't want to get rid of that one"...then do the same thing with the next set ! LOL

Just cant seem to breakaway, I just love collecting" photos of men I never met before"

Like Pacino in the Godfather - "Every time I get out.. they keep pulling me back in ! "

For the haters who might say... Oh..he did that to show off his collection..( no not really.. those G F P cards are nothing to brag about)

or.. he was just trying to gauge the market for his stuff ( again..no..not really...beat up stuff is beat up stuff)

So anyway, I appreciate all the offers and suggestions, but I guess Im gonna keep on being a full grown adult.." who still collects baseball cards " !

Ralph G

If I can open one for only 24 k
 

I am in. Please let me know where to sign up for that deal. Lol. Congrats on keeping your collection.

I completely understand! Keep them as long as you enjoy them.

Burl (Justin Burleson)

+1. To paraphrase one of my favorite movies....

WERE WE NOT ENTERTAINED??!!!!

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Does this mean we don't get donuts?

You can always sell it later. But you can only sell it once (with the exception of a 1954 Topps Aaron i have which I have bought and sold three times to far).

This is a BIG -1

You should have made up your mind before you posted it for sale...in the wrong forum nonetheless. You wasted people's time.

Bad move IMO.

David,

I don't know that he intended to 'waste' people's time. I think he had a desire, whether impulsive or planned, to sell. I think after making the initial post he probably had 'seller's remorse' and decided to keep his collection.

In my opinion, no harm, no foul.

But yes, in the wrong section!

collection
 

David,

OMG... You gave me a BIG minus 1 !


I think you should shut your pie hole

Ralph G

A Big Plus 1. Ralph and I had a nice discussion by phone and we never would have met if it wasn't for this thread. I don't understand some peoples negativity?

Jeff

So back to my steps..you will repeat the process again and again only natural....when the card prices crash though many collectors will be holding the bag but its not like we are in it for the money..its a hobby and hobbys cost money...so I say keep the cards until the crash...

Never fear, help is on the way.
http://www.eater.com/2014/11/24/7277...ons-california

Whether he intended to or not, he did.

And it's not the first time either...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=146858

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=181886

The first thread you posted seemed entertaining as well (Leon even commented as such). The second was two posts long. Lighten up a little, no one forced you to come along for the ride.

If you consider listing cards for sale on the B/S/T (with prices and scans) and then not following through as 'entertaining' then so be it.

I like entertainment as much as any body but it seems all the OP did was waste a lot of peoples time and wasn't the first time.

I also vote a BIG -1 for the OP.

Totally agree....
 

I agree 100%. It was like a dopey soap opera that ended badly. Don't they all?

Peace, Mike

To those that value their time so much--What are you doing hanging out an a Chat Board?:confused:

Lol good point!

Honestly it's this kind of pettiness that keeps me away from the boards and collecting in general. So the guy decides not to sell his stuff after offering it for sale. I get why it might make you wary of doing business with him in the future, but seriously why make a big issue out of it like this is all super serious business?

There are so few people in this hobby to begin with and the ranks are thinning. You'd think there'd be more of a sense of understanding and community but it seems like every thread, regardless of what it's about, devolves into some sort of petty dispute over something immensely inconsequential. As a younger member of the hobby who hangs out on the fringes, it's a huge turnoff.

With such a small community we should be looking out for one another. I'd be more concerned if someone sold something and regretted it than if they offered something for sale and subsequently withdrew it. I would never want to buy a card from someone who regretted selling it to me and wanted it back in their collection. And if it wastes my time or costs me a few postage stamps so be it. It's a small price to pay in order to preserve the sense of community and friendliness that as a kid brought me back to the card store week after week.

This reminds me of that lesser known Aesop fable: The Man Who Cried "Cards For Sale".

No waste
 

Great post, Brenden and great counterpoint Fred. (+others)

Some of us who waste time on chat boards know how to ignore , overlook and avoid drama if we want to. What harm does a post about old baseball cards maybe being for sale, or maybe not being for sale do? I didn't forcibly waste my time and I regretfully read the whole thing:cool:

It's not the OP (Ralph) who spun this thread out of focus into yet another diatribe and non-topic feud. It certainly could have remained more civil with posts wishing Ralph the best with his decision. (Hi Ralph, glad you are keeping the cards!)

Maybe the post counts turned the thread into a "must-read" , but it didn't have to be filled with such attacks. The posts that didn't involve donuts generally were caustic. We can do better as a group.

That doesn't mean that topics of concern or harm to the hobbyists (I mean the hobby *dollars* of course) aren't worthy of negative or constructive commentary.

It's really not hard to see the topics and threads that are harmless...(and treat them as such) if you try.

I can't believe some people are sticking up for this guy. :confused:

Do you seriously think it's okay to list items for sale, post pictures and prices, and then withdraw the items...multiple times???

In my world, that's considered flakey.

Edited to add: Even by his own admission, he wasted the time of "dozens and dozens of collectors/ dealers/buys/auctioneers". You justify that???

David--

Please explain "what harm has it done"?

+1. Other than some wasted time.....Which is one of the main reasons some of us frequent Net54, to take a break from the "real world".

Why do you want to roast a guy because he had a change of heart about selling his collection? Something many of us that love the hobby can understand. The OP didn't contribute the majority of the posts either, we took this thread in a bunch of directions (including donuts....eeeemmmm donuts....).

Everything doesn't have to revolve around constantly consummating deals. This isn't heart surgery...

Best,

Steve ;)

This is a two part answer. To the OP, he's probably harmed his credibility and integrity for future sales. To the 'dozens and dozens" of people that were interested and made offers, it wasted their time.

I don't want to roast him, but I do want to call him out because this IS NOT the first time he's done it. What don't you get about that?

Should of just read my rules and we knew he would go to step one and no ones time is wasted.......I know he says he will keep the cards. but if someone offered him 50k I don't think he would of had the same change of heart :)

David, I appreciate the all contributions you've made to the forum over the years. But do you realize you have made 5 posts to this thread since your "Big -1" for the "waste of time".

You are coming off as petty and you are better than this.

Learn to duck sometimes.