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LOL. I don't know what that is either. I give up. |
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Sorry, I tried to post a search of his threads. Search user Zone91. Here is a couple to get you started:
First post: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=165630 Thread limit: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=167065 REA: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=167292 52 Mantle: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=167295 Red Murray: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=167581 He pays most of the time: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=167643 |
I'm still amused that he spent $12,950 on a PSA 4 '52 Topps Mantle, yet can't spend $200 to get a decent phone or a digital camera to take photos of the cards he's trying to sell on Ebay.
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As annoying as he was, I felt sorry for the guy and rooted for him to cash in on his coin sale. He just seemed to be an overzealous collector at first, which a lot of us can be at times. But then he went bonkers and started cursing out everyone in sight.
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Sadly, that was somewhat entertaining. So, did the guy really sell a 200k coin and buy a 52 Mantle? I had a hard time separating fact from fiction in those threads. |
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Just lowered to a $2500.00 BIN right before he took it down again.
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And its gone again. Sold to the highest bidder.
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It sold for something between $1200 and $1500. If you look at his "completed" auctions and sort by price, this one falls between a $1200 BIN and a $1500 BIN.
If he paid $3175 as someone mentioned earlier in the thread, he took a pretty good beating. |
Sold for $1400. Ouch
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Yeah, well rent is usually due at this time of the month :(
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He actually paid about 200 more because Adrian lives in Canada with the currency exchange. And if it sold for 1400 that's nearly a 2K loss?
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I wouldn't put it past him to pocket the cash and never ship. If he admittedly only pays for "most" of the cards he buys, what makes you think he doesn't only ship "most" of the cards he sells?
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IMHO, seeing as how he has mental problems and the attention span of a fly, this is why someone close to him needs to SERIOUSLY step in and get a guardian or conservator so as to stop him from frittering his money away.
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Rob...maybe you and some of our other brothers up north can help Adrian with his issues?! Let us know how that turns out!
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Have any of you ever taken a $2,000+ loss, or if I've done my math right, around a 60% loss on a pre-war card before?
My biggest issue with Adrian (besides the obvious) was that he was an "Acquirer" and not a "Collector". He had no connection to baseball cards. Did any of you ever jump right into the hobby by purchasing rare and expensive cards without doing any research or having some sort of emotional connection to the player? Who drops that kind of cash on common card where there is no consensus within the hobby that it is even a "variation", especially with that kind of back damage, when they have no idea what they are doing? Unless you are a professional sports team owner, you can't take that risk. And if you do, I guess that's when 60% losses happen. I only saw my dad get teary-eyed three times in my life - when he put my family dog down, when he dropped me off at the dorm for my first day of college, and when he talked about Roberto Clemente. I'm sure that is the reason for my Clemente collection. Like many of you, I started collecting in the early 80's. I would buy those "All Time Greats" cards and read baseball almanacs and record books. That's where I learned about Matty, Cobb, Hans, Three-Finger Brown, etc. I'm sure that is the reason for my pre-war card "obsession". Many of the board members here tried to convince Adrian to slow down, do some research, find a favorite player or team, but he did not listen. He just acquired a few rare, high priced cards with no rhyme or reason. I mean, I have a Bake McBride collection that I'm sure I cherish more than any cards he acquired. That being said, he must have really needed the money and I wish him well. Hindsight being 20/20, he should have consigned the Murr'y to an established auction house right? Oh well, just thought I'd share my two cents on Adrian. I won't be posting anymore about him....promise. - Ja$on Chri$$i$ |
i've taken a large loss on a vintage card...like 8K!:eek:
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I prefer not to say! But his name starts with Louis!
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ha ha...the last time I traded in all of my scrap metal...I WAS very pleasantly surprised. Perhaps by the end of my dental career I'll recoup the loss on lowdy!!!!
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more like I'd have a 99.6% likelihood of having to hire a canadian lawyer to go after his idiotic A$$!
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David...I think some existing auction houses have already coined that phrase!!!
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I took a $10K loss on a vintage card 5 years ago. it was something i consigned to a live auction, had $24K into a card, it sold for barely $14K...that hurt, but i've made it up in other deals.
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The card was consigned with an established auction house. The winning bidder (not Adrian) won the card for around $1600 (with juice). Shortly after that Adrian shows up here posting up his purchase of the SGC 10 Murr'y that he bought for $3150. Interesting how he either doesn't know or doesn't want to put in his Ebay auction description that the exact card he is selling sold for only $1600 earlier this year. Jantz |
so here is the whole story now that it is basically over with and the card is in the mail:
i was the one who bought the card. he lowered the shipping to 25.00 so i was able to get it for 1425. this completes my collection of name variations...nodgrass, shappe, murr'y, dopner, cpiger there was a reason why the price was so high on the shipping but i honestly don't remember what it was, but part of that was he wanted it to arrive at the buyer in a timely fashion as it can get held up in customs for a significant period of time sometimes. this is admiral but utlimately not needed to make the sale more attractive to purchases. we were able to work through it. payment was made last night. the card was shipped today with tracking information as promised. i spoke to adrian on the phone during the process. he did mention he had ocd but also said he is sound in mind when it comes to everything else. the reason he mentioned for wanting to sell the card is that he realized that he wasn't sure what he wanted to collect before, when he bought the card. he now has an interest in babe ruth cards. he wanted to take what he could for the card and roll it into some babe ruth cards. i presume he was interested in taking a loss on the card because he was very interested in another purchase that he didn't want to wait for. at the end of the day i think his anxiousness hurt his wallet a little bit but ultimately it his money and his hobby. we all have jumped at a few cards and wiggled some cash to get what we want. in the end, i ended up getting an affordable and reasonable deal and he can buy his ruth card. the guy does read the board and he basically said you were all "dicks" in not so many words because you are distorting and blowing up everything he said and did. he knows you guys are posting about him. he can read it but he has no way of responding to what you are posting. he seemed like a nice guy under it all, even though he may have some issues.....but who doesn't. im certian everyone on this board has an issue with something in their life....in some capacity. there is no need to talk about a guy that has no way of responding back or may have some issues that are due to a medical condition. for instance, if someone made fun of down syndrome people and you had a kid with that affliction....you probably wouldn't enjoy it to much. replace that concept with whatever you take personally. for the sake of him, i would honestly just ask that you let the thread go....and move on to the next hot topic. kevin |
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As one of the forum members that messaged me privately called it, Adrian's behavior was "despicable, disgraceful and disgusting." He can't wish death on other members anymore. He can't make any more "I'm leaving" threads, followed in close proximity by the "all of you that are nasty to me, your end is coming" threads. This place is so much better now that he's gone. |
While I wish nothing bad to anyone, those vile & hate filled comments that Adrian made are the reason he is no longer here and can't reply. They are also the reason I feel little sympathy for him.
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My vote would be to drop this topic. It's a combination of beating a dead horse and repeating old gossip, and if he does have problems I'm not comfortable with it being chatted about on as a water cooler topic on a chat board.
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admittadly, i didn't read all of his posts.
i don't need to though, like i said....he clearly has some issues. you have never gotten mad and said things that you regret and didn't mean? of course you have. maybe he took it to the next level. ok. well then yea. he doesn't need to be on the board any more but continuing to harp on them in public forum is not going to help anything, especially him and his future endeavours and communication with others. kevin |
Kevin...hopefully you'll get you card...end of story.
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Kevin, I'm really glad for you that you got this card. I know you've really wanted it. :)
As for Adrian, I realize he can't respond to our comments, but I wonder why he still reads them. It just seems like an act of masochism on his part. And if saying that makes me a "dick" in his eyes, well I can live with that. However, I will stop discussing him now. |
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i bought the card. it worked out. i reported the transaction and that it worked out. low ground? why would you ever want to go that route? i simply stated it would probably be best to take the higher ground and let the Adrian bashing go, unless continuing to ridicule someone who has no recourse of response serves your higher needs of self amusement. there are much more important things to discuss. or am i missing something? |
Could we please just let this Adrian sh*t go away? I mean, enough is enough....
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I'm glad you got your card Kevin and I hope you enjoy it. FWIW I'm actually very easily amused.
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Well, this baseball card stuff is no fun until somebody starts crying.:(
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Thanks to those who helped me here and also those who respected me here http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=169148 He "quit", sat there reading all the comments from people saying he should take a break, or get some help, or just chill out. Then he came back. Then another month later, he made a thread threatening that all the people that were mean to him were going to "get it": For all those that act nasty towards me...your end is coming!!! http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=170958 Followed the next day by yet another "I'm leaving" thread: How does one delete his profile I have enough of this place? http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=170959 I have no sympathy for him. None. People were tolerant of his issues, and were supportive of him, including myself. We all tried to befriend him. We put up with his spamming completely inappropriate posts and threads on the main board, until Leon had to put a post limit to him. Then he started to show his true colors. It takes a hell of a lot for me to not like somebody, but he managed to make me not like him. And I hate talking about him. But every time it seems this thread is going to sink to the bottom, somebody bumps it back up. "He really misses this place, and he's a good guy that made a few mistakes". I'm sure he misses it, because here he could be the center of attention. The forum fed his narcissism. People need to understand that he is not a good person. He is a spiteful human being. He can turn on the charm, and appear to be the nicest person you've ever talked to. It's an act. When somebody questions what he's done, he goes into full-on attack mode. It's predictable, and frightening the amount of joy he seems to get from the assault he wages on other members here. When he buys a bunch of cards, and ends up not paying for them, it's always the government's fault for not giving him the money he's owed for medical, or somebody owes him money for a coin he sold. Or his 19 year old dog needed emergency surgery (who puts a 19 year old dog through emergency surgery? That's not fair to the animal). Or his job owes him money. Or his grandma is sick. He never accepts responsibility for anything. He says he has learned, but then he does the exact same thing again. Forum members (Leon included) tell him it is not ok to buy cards, and not pay for them. He then says he realizes what he did was wrong, using his OCD as an excuse why he didn't before, and he will try to change. Then, he backs out of a card that he bought, costing the seller $500. The next day, he buys $100 worth of cards instead of giving that $100 to the guy he just stiffed, and working out a plan for the rest. He then justifies it by saying the seller might be losing $500 now, but they'll get $1,000 from me in the future when I buy another card. That twisted rationalization is a clear indication that he's never going to get it. And he uses the same excuses over and over. You could come up with a list of Adrianisms, and just sit back and wait for them to be played in order. Kevin just posted this recently: Quote:
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Can we please just let this thread drop to the bottom? This guy is no longer a member of the forum. If you all choose to do business with him (at your own risk), fine. But as Leon said before, he can not defend himself, and quite honestly, it's exhausting having to bring this stuff up. I get nervous when I see how "he misses the forum" because the next thing we know, somebody will be trying to bring him back. And that would be tragic. |
Hey Bill, a big +1.
I originally felt sorry for Adrian and his OCD condition (I have a family member with a similar problem, so I've seen how it can impact a person and his family). When I saw what he wrote about you and your medical issues, I lost all respect and any sympathy for him. I come to this site because I love the hobby and enjoy reading the insights of all of our expert members. I also enjoy the interactions that I've had with all of the great folks that I've done deals with over the past year plus. There's no room here for a person who would wish harm or additional pain on another human being. I'd also like to add that I believe there are at least one or two great members who have stopped posting (or greatly reduced their posts) because of all the drama when Zone91 was melting down. |
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Let me ask you another question: do you even collect pre-war baseball cards? Because I don't think you do. You, sir, are a troll. I think you're a 70's Topps collector who maybe bought a small handful of prewar just so that you can say that you belong here. You don't even write about pre-war cards. They don't even enter the discussion with you. All you want to do is hash up old threads that nobody wants to give a crap about anymore that relate to someone who's been banned from the board. I think you are probably a nice guy. But you would do better to leave this section and participate in the post-war section because I don't think you're really a pre-war collector. You probably mean well, but you are doing something but stirring up old B.S. based on some vendetta you cannot let go of. So this will be my last post to you. I'll I'm asking is one small favor. Just leave. Please just go away. That's it. Goodbye. |
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Ouch... I have to say that I have found stache to be a positive member who is truly trying to learn about the pre-war hobby. This thread aside I have looked forward to his posts.
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I have made deals with Bill, and he is a great guy. 100% true to his word, and only concerned for the welfare of the hobby of collecting baseball cards. Yes, he may have a small start on prewar cards, but I know he is serious about them and his love for the hobby is greater than many who have collections valued in the hundreds of thousands or more. Bill IS a prewar card collector and he is not a Troll, and I don't think he is trying to be a tough guy. Dave. ps No place here for bullies!:mad:
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Wow man! You need to let it go and talk cards. Edited to add my name because this was apparently liable advice. Eric Sharp
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I'm with you. As somebody that has been dealing with ADD my entire life (before anybody named it, diagnosed it, or even knew what the heck it was), I could empathize with what he was going through. ADD and OCD share some similar behavioral traits. I used to make my parents, and my teachers, nuts. Parent teacher conferences were always an event. It was always the same-"your son is so smart, but he's so talkative. Too much so. And when he starts a project, he starts off so strong, but then seems to lose interest. Or, he starts a project, works on it a while, then completely starts over". I was such a perfectionist, and eventually in college, it got to the point where I would have a major project due, or a portfolio review (I was an ad art major before switching to political science and pre-law), and I'd scrap it the night before it was to be handed in, and start from scratch. That's not easy to deal with. It messed up my relationships with the girls I would date, and it really hurt my grades in school. So I understood some of the demons he was dealing with. But he took it way too far. When he started with the personal attacks, I just couldn't look past it. If he'd never made them, I'd still be sticking up for the guy. I love this place. The knowledge that emanates from the virtual walls of Net54 alone would make this a favorite site. But it's the people here that make our little home truly special. And I don't think it's asking too much that everybody here be respectful of one another, even when they don't agree on something. |
Wow, this Adrian stuff is just incredible. Here's a guy who has been banned from the board, but numerous and endless threads continue about him. Unbelievable....
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Here are the topics, I have started since March (I will bold the topics having to do with pre-war): 1.) Ok baseball fans, here's an interesting question. (started about an hour ago) 2.) Should we maintain a list of suspicious buyers and sellers? (this was an idea first brought up by Pete Ullman, and with all the talk recently about shill bidding, the deceptive practices of the t206museum.com owner, forgeries being sold, etc, I felt it at least warranted consideration.) 3.) Khris Davis: a hidden gem in Milwaukee, but not for long. 4. How many people on Ebay will be duped by these? (a discussion about a T206 reprint set). 5. Should I get this graded? 2009 Chrome Mike Trout au 6. A question for T206 experts. I'm confused by this Ebay auction 7. What is your most cherished piece, and why? 8. The all-time best of Net 54 9. The fantasy baseball Gods are not being kind this week. Check this out.. 10. Graded card bags for larger slabs? (started as I needed suggestions for protecting the T202 card that had been given to me as a gift by Pete Sycks) 11. Looking for suggestions for my first pre-war card 12. Could I get some opinions on this T206 Ty Cobb bat on shoulder please? 13. Would a database for PSA flips be beneficial to the hobby? 14. Has anybody done this to guard against buying forgeries? 15. Is this 1953 Bowman Color Mantle legit? 16. Thanks a lot, guys. Now I'm in love with "the monster". 17. Something in the REA catalog has me puzzled 18. How do you maintain your purchase receipts? 19. Question from a vintage noob. What exactly is a monster? 20. Won't the graded card slabs melt below 350? 21. Do you save baseball shows/movies on your DVR? 22. Revisiting the SGC vs PSA vs Beckett discussion, where do the three stand in 2013? 23. PSA cards. Do you have a grading range that you typically look for? 24. Do these flips look right to you? 25. Recommendations for a magnifying glass Seems to me that a person taking even a quick look at the list of topics I've started over the last six months would see somebody learning about pre-war cards, educating myself about looking out for fake pre-war cards, etc. The only topic I started that had anything to do with a card from the 70s was #24, where I was looking for a new graded 1975 Topps Robin Yount, whom I collect. So no, I'm not a "troll". Talk about making an assumption, and being completely wrong. Quote:
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This is no defense of Adrian in any way. The guy deserved to be banned, and he was. I am not trying to be rude in any way. but at what point do some of you guys move on? Never?
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Wow, Bill. How did you break your tibia and fibula?
I have a titanium screw in my left leg after tearing my ACL, MCL and PCL in November 2011. I have never gone through anything that hurt like that, and the therapy following the ACL reconstruction was just brutal. It blows my mind that it is almost standard now to come back from torn ACLs and play again in the NFL or the NBA. I had no idea how a torn ACL were replaced until it happened to me. It was shocking when the orthopaedist looked at my MRI and nonchalantly said he was would drill a hole in my tibia for my new ACL. |
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I had ACL reconstruction in December of 2011, as I'd blown out my knee in college playing basketball. Well, over the years, the knee got progressively worse to the point where it started going out on me. And the last thing a guy on disability with a bad back needs is to fall. So, the orthopedic surgeon that fixed my knee in 1992 did an ACL reconstruct, using a cadaver ligament. About a week after the surgery, I fell asleep in the CPM machine used to stretch the ligament out. I woke up, jerked the leg badly, and got a stress fracture (as I was strapped into the machine). The screw you see in the lower part of the pic is a titanium screw for that rebuild. As for this break, I was stepping over my black lab Brewster, who was sleeping on the landing of the stairs. I had socks on (which I never wear. I don't know why I did this time). Well, my foot slipped right off the edge of the landing, and I felt the entire knee go out. I came crashing down, and the left leg above the knee looked like it had an elbow. I knew I couldn't move, so we had to call an ambulance to take me to the hospital. I thought I'd blown out the ligaments in my knee. When the emergency room attending physician showed me the xray of my leg, the femur was just destroyed. I almost threw up, I was so horrified. I was born with a congenital bone disease called osteogenesis imperfecta, so I am susceptible to broken bones. But this one was bad, even for me. I had surgery to rebuild the leg the next day, and after I got out of post op, and upstairs to my room, I immediately started developing a fever. They couldn't find the cause, so they started me on some really powerful antibiotics. When they didn't work, the hospital's infectious disease doc said I was septic, and they began all sorts of tests, as well as chest x-rays, galium scans, ultrasound to look for blood clots, etc. I got shots in my abdomen to prevent clots. My vitals started getting better, so two weeks after surgery, they sent me to the rehab hospital. Within 24 hours, I was back at the first hospital by ambulance. My fever was 103, and my white blood cell count was over 19,000. So overall, a very long, unfun, and expensive stay. I am ordering a plastic bubble to live in now. :D |
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"I am ordering a plastic bubble to live in now." Bill
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He can make some rhetorical argument about how he hasn't "started any threads", but it is a moot point. He is responsible for what he has written and that is that. By his own standards, less than one third of the threads he started were about pre-war cards, and the ones that were generally covered topics that lack vigor, such as "Which Pre-war card should I buy?". He claims that I started bullying Eric P. around in the blacklist thread, but that assertion is false. Eric threw the first flame by saying I should hang out with other people although I was just making a philosophical argument about the truth that wasn't directed at Eric. Although Eric continued with many personal attacks, calling me a moron and so forth, I never responded in kind and in fact all I did was question the highly dubious accuracy of some of his Eric's statements. As for whether Bill has a vendetta against Adrian, you folks can go back and read his posts and make your own assessment. He claims he wants to leave Adrian in the past when in fact he continues to bash him in ways unwarranted. Unfair to someone who doesn't have a voice on this board. Moreover, he is now employing the Adrian-inspired technique of trying to shift the focus to his health problems. Even people with injured knees still need to be responsible for what they write. But, ultimately, whether he's started threads or whether he's got a vendetta is irrelevant - he's made the inflammatory remarks against Adrian and it is as simple as that. That is not the mark of someone who wants to leave the matter behind - that is the mark of someone who wants to stir up old stuff. Hmm... starting stupid threads and using health issues to pass off on inflammatory comments. Doesn't that sound a bit like the Zone91 character? |
Hope you guys don't mind, I'm going to start a new thread....."Adrian is laughing his ass off"
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