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But at the most basic level, it is still a lack of transparency. And in any other arena of commerce, in the buying, selling, or trading of any type of goods, lack of transparency when presenting something for sale, is seen as being dishonest. |
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Card doctoring, shill bidding, and selling fakes or reprints as originals are all examples of fraud. A guy taking bids on a card is not. |
The one thing this poll did show is you can list your item(s) how ever you want but you WILL get a MUCH larger group of potential buyers with prices listed.
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http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=220632 I have posted the original thread above, of you wanted to bore yourselves with the details, but the original discussion was genuinely wanting to know what legitimate reasons were for someone posting something for sale...yet deliberately not publishing a price. Nothing more.....Nothing less. Yet it has turned into a poll, and a somewhat combative conversation. |
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I had already read the original thread, but thanks for another condescending reply. |
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This thread is just too much. "Filthy", beautiful name tag, your opinion on that pertaining to being equal to bid shilling, etc., is beyond stupid. I dont think there's a word for it. You have a solid 82 posts though, so I've been taking notes....And Jesse, what exactly is this thread supposed to accomplish for the good of the board? Just asking....
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I didn't necessarily think it would accomplish anything in terns of a rule change. If enough people thought the same way I do, which apparently about half do and a quarter don't, maybe it would encourage people to list prices for their cards. |
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An example is I will probably sell my PSA 7 red Cobb and down grade to a 4 to match my others. I didn't inquire about yours based on the discussion on your post and lack of price. Now I'm not saying you lost a sale, and we probably wouldn't have reached an agreement, but I do believe it prevents some people from inquiring on some cards they might have otherwise purchased. |
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The Old Moral Equivalency Argument
I think the argument here can be summarized as follows:
An Ebola outbreak close by or a "dirty" bomb in your city is the moral equivalent of listing a card in BST without a price. I don't think so, but that's just me. A corollary observation is that: An Ebola outbreak creates strange bedfellows.:D |
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I personally have never asked for a price of a item. If no price I just pass, several others in this thread have said the same thing. For me I am usually not looking for specific cards and when looking through the BST listings buy thing that make me go "I want one of those". If you are happy with what you are doing that is great and all that should matter to you. Happy selling the way you like.:) |
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deleted....[QUOTE=bnorth;1524312]I have no idea, from reading all the replies I never seen a single post that described exactly what they passed on
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I really don't see the big deal. If Kevin doesn't post a price, email or PM him and say hey Kevin what were you thinking price wise? If he refuses to answer and insists you give a price first and you don't want to, move on. Either way, no biggie.
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I have read all 75 posts in this thread & for the life of me, I don't know WHY!
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Tell me what you want, then "or best offer" if you want, or say firm, and if I think it's something that's reasonable and I can afford it then we'll talk and/or do business. |
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Why don't we instead make a rule banning all threads that are a monumental waste of time. If your biggest problem is you're crying because people don't place prices in their threads, it sounds to me like life is pretty good for you. Count your blessings and move on. What's next? Are you going to be upset if the photos and scans in the latest pickups thread doesn't include a wide enough variety of races and sexual orientations???? Geez.
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And the opinion of a members post count, as it relates specifically to legitimacy of ones thoughts/opinions on this board is a greatly flawed one. I would think that social skills, life experiences, level of intellect and self awareness would be a much better barometer of ones value to a message board. |
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I don't get it. And it's not just here. It's even worse on CU. |
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But my point is that there are a lot of members here (and other boards too) that have been members for a log time and/or have high post counts and for some unknown reason that seems to equate to hobby knowledge / respect. I don't get that. Likewise, it seems when new members come to the board and share new ideas/opinions, they are overlooked because they are new and they couldn't possibly know more than the 'respected and knowledgeable" board members who've been here for years. :rolleyes: |
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Look in the mirror Peter. There may be an exception to that rule.:eek: |
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Sellers option to list prices and you don't need to ship the items Priority Mail...
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Sellers should list prices.
You own it, you want to sell it, tell me how much you want. You are not an amateur who does not really know what you have. You are in the hobby, you know what you have and what is a fair price. Don't play games, be a mensch and post your price. Don't make someone guess how much you want. |
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Does common sense ever come into play on these boards?? Ever??
I don't sell anything here, so I don't have a horse in the race as the saying goes. But why in hell would you force people to list sell prices? The boards are filled with threads saying something to the effect of "Can you believe how much the (enter specific card here) sold by (enter AH or ebay seller name here) went for last night???" And the prices realized are always way over the top. So if someone is looking to sell a rare card, they want to get as much as they possibly can for it, don't they?? Capitalism. So there has to be some leeway with people looking to sell their goods here. If you're interested in the card, send the user a PM and negotiate with him. But, if for some reason you're upset or offended by this like an entitled little kid, then ignore people who don't list prices. Common frickin' sense. And let's say you're able to convince Leon to make a rule forcing everyone to list a selling price on the B/S/T. The first thing I would do if I decided to sell anything would be to list it like this: For Sale: Bernie Carbo rookie card for sale. $1,000,000 or best offer. I posted a price, didn't I? The rule was obeyed. Now what? Are you going to lobby Leon to force people to list 'reasonable' selling prices now? And which of you people is going to be the official arbiter of what a reasonable price is, huh???? Come on!!!!! |
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Interesting thoughts. When I joined a while back I was happy to see a few names that were familiar to me from a long time ago. Not people I knew, but people I knew of. I've generally been an under the radar sort of collector. Partly because that's who I am until I'm comfortable with people or a group, partly because of budget. Can't really be a well known big wheel when my typical show budget is around $200. :D My introduction was "interesting" I mentioned that I had some cards, and the response was literally" yeah right" Until I posted scans then it was a cautious "welcome to the club" It may be odd to some, but I found that attitude comforting. Now I'm marginally familiar with a lot more of the sort of collectors I like, people with some knowledge, sometimes a LOT of knowledge. I don't always agree with everyone about everything, and that's normal. There's even (gasp!) a few people that I rarely find much agreement with. But most - in fact nearly all - have enough thinking behind their opinions that I can respect those opinions even if I don't agree. Someone with a lot of posts has hopefully shown enough of their thinking and likes/dislikes and expertise to have earned that sort of respect. Someone with a handful of posts just hasn't got enough track record, so for them it's more a matter of considering their opinions. There are of course exceptions, people whose intros are a nice look at their collecting interests and experiences, and/or are well known to several members so there's a bit of street cred automatically. Steve B |
I stated, in my prior post, that I disliked "Best offer" only posts, but that, in no way shape or form, means I agree and think that all posts/ads on here should have prices listed.
I was just stating what I disliked and what I preferred, but seeing as it's a free country and people can do what they want, I am OK with that. :) |
The less rules you have, the less rules get broken. I think we have enough rules around here. Of course I'm not a moderator on the board but someone asked for opinions so there you go.
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For this thread to go this long is absolutely unbelievable! I mean really, Are you kidding? Just when you thought you saw it all, well......No price listed, go about your business. What is the mystery? If you are really interested, wouldn't you inquire about the card????
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