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Here's the 460 Series George Bell with name on top.
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...blNameT206.jpg TED Z . |
Somewhere this miscut Smith's neighbor (most likely) has a top/bottom name. Old Mill back
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https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...C150x30xxz.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...CobbSGCx12.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ohnson208x.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...raphicbldg.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...eetCap12xx.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...eign460x14.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...bbBat12xzz.jpg Next to my Plank.... this Eddie Collins card is my favorite T206 in my SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30 set. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...blNameT206.jpg TED Z . |
Ted, apologies, I owe you a call back! I got your message, but been slammed. We will talk soon.
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And, here is Carl Frederick Rudolf "Bonehead" Merkle
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...blNameT206.jpg TED Z . |
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Jake Thielman had a 4-year career in the Majors (1905 - 1908) mainly as a Pitcher and a part-time Rightfielder.
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...blNameT206.jpg TED Z . |
Love that Thielman card. It’s so wrong but right.
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Okay....there are millions of T206's with one Name....and some T206's with 2 same Names.
But, not often seen are T206's with 2 different Names. Anyway, very rarely will you find a T206 with No Names. If you have one, why not show it. I will start this show with this one............ https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...RyanNoName.jpg PIEDMONT 350 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . OLD MILL TED Z . |
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"Wild Bill" Donovan was the first Pitcher to Win 25 games in both Leagues.
In 1901, in the National League with Brooklyn (25 - 15). Then 1907 in the American League with Detroit (25 - 4). He had 185 career victories over a span of 18 years. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...opNameT206.jpg TED Z . |
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Hey guys,
Some nice examples have been posted here. Let's see some more T206's with any one (or more) of these various types of anomalies. So, if you have them, how's about displaying them in this "show-room" ? Thanks, TED Z . |
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http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...C150x30xxz.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ohnson208x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...t150x12xxx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eign150x11.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...yab350x19x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ITxSGC30xx.jpg ....Sweet Caporal ...... Sovereign ......... Piedmont_____The "House" that created these Tobacco cards_____ Sovereign…. American Beauty .…. UZIT [/B]This thread will provide references to major contributions posted on Net54 these past 14 years that have formed a better understanding of "The Monster" [as Bill Heitman so aptly coined his T206 book (circa 1980)]. Let's start with the 2005-2006 publication of Scot Reader's Inside T206 An excellent, very informative, and well written book that inspired many of us Net54ers to post our experiences and theory's regarding the complexities of the T206 series. One of the early and very significant T206 threads was posted in June 2006 by Barry Arnold, titled T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection ? This thread sparked lots of brainstorming among Net54ers regarding T206's. It included surveys; and, various aspects of the T206 series were explored.....resulting in 363 meaningful posts. Furthermore, between many of us Net54ers, this thread was...."the beginning of a beautiful friendship" (to quote Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca). In the Summer of 2006, Bill Brown posted his T206 Super-Set (excel) spreadsheet. Bill received 1000's of inputs from Net54ers for this spreadsheet. It was a great start in the pursuit of what a T206 "master" set would be comprised of....T206 Super-Set Sept 2007, I started a thread titled Joe Doyle NAT'L and it's 11 "cousins"....SURVEY to explore certain PIEDMONT 350 cards that I considered as rare as the Joe Doyle "error" card. I eventually referred to these particular T206's as the Elite 11 Subsequent posts in this thread will expand on theory's regarding the structure of the T206 series and the front/back permutations that have resulted. A fair number of the theory's presented on Net54 (since 2006) have withstood the test of time. Providing accurate lists of which front/back combos were printed. And, which ones are No-Prints. So, stay tuned......many more T206 "oldies but goodies" References and Reflections will be posted here. And, feel free to contribute any meaningful T206 stories, or experiences collecting T206's that you have. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___________________________________ INDEX Post #1......Introduction....plus Scot Reader's " Inside T206 " book, and 3 significant T206 threads (circa..2006) for starters. Set your user settings to display 50 posts per Page. Then click on the topic of interest, then scan page for Post # noted. Post #2......The beginning of the six "Super-Prints" Post #4......SOVEREIGN phantom "350/460" series (apple green cards) Post #5......350/460 series backs identified Post #8......350/460 series mutually-exclusive cards Post #22.....T206 Plank mystery Post #25.....T206 DRUM's...."A-B-C-D" connection Post #26.....A-B-C-D connection expanded Post #28.....1910 COUPON (T213-1) sub-set Post #30.....Ty Cobb / Ty Cobb back Post #31.....T206 Checklists....plus 1910 COUPON, T215-1 and Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb Posts #33 & 34.....Richard Russell's unique T206 collection Posts #35 - 36 & 38.....Exclusive 12 group (460-only series) Post #39.....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 No Frame subjects = DRUM subjects Posts #44 & 48.....Collecting T206 sets....tell us your story's Post #54.....T206 all-PIEDMONT set Post #65......SOVEREIGN set story Post #69......SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30 set story Posts #72 & 74......AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 adventure Posts #76 - 77......T206 cards RE-FRONTED (or re-backed)....FAKE's ! Post #93.....T206 "Proofs" Post #96.....UZIT checklist Post #97.....Spring of 1911....T206 era ends....the start of the "Golden era" begins Post #98.....ATC Factory's associated with the White-Bordered cards (1909 - 1911) Posts #101 & 106.....BROAD LEAF 460 checklist Post #107.....Hobby greats....Frank Nagy and Bill Heitman Post #108.....CAROLINA BRIGHTS checklist Post #124.....PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42 checklist Posts #128 - 131.....Why are Connie Mack, Jack Coombs, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Smoky Joe Wood missing in the T206 set ? Posts #134 & 138.....Timeline of the T206 POLAR BEAR cards Post #144.....T206 OLD MILL (Major League series) cards Post #146..... T206 OLD MILL Southern League cards Post #161.....Southern League cards (continued) Post #162.....T206 Southern Leaguers Brown OLD MILL cards Post #171.....The mysterious T206 brown LENOX cards Post #181.....SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #30 backs (w/o Factory #42 overprint) Post #190.....El Principe de Gales T206 cards Post #196.....SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #42 overprint cards Post #198.....Regional source of the Elite 11 cards Posts #201 >> 227.....Show-n-tell us of your favorite T206's Posts #231 >> 248.....Show-n-tell us of your T206 Run(s) Posts #263 >> 276.....T206 color printing errors......let's see some of these interesting T206's Posts #282 >> 294.....The mysterious nature of the Red HINDU cards Posts #302 >> 316.....Show-n-tell us of your MAGIE cards Posts #328 >> 333.....T206 150-only subjects...... Posts #334 >> 346.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Posts #353 >> 358.....PIEDMONT set structure & checklist Posts #360 >> 366.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Post #368.....Reminiscing about T206's in 2005 Post #378.....Remembering Jantz Morey Posts #379 >> 385.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Posts #386 >> 402.....T206 printed sheet structure Posts #405 >> 440.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards Posts #441 >> 450.....Comparable printing patterns of the T206's and T205's Posts #453 >> 467.....Guess the price of a near complete T206 set Posts #469 >> 470.....Guess the selling price of a COMPLETE SOVEREIGN set Posts #471 >> 474.....Guess selling price of a near complete PIEDMONT set Posts #476 >> 479.....Guess selling price of a complete SWEET CAP, F#30 set Posts #481 >> 515.....Show-n-Tell us of your T206 "finds" Posts #516 >> 536....."Bang the DRUM Slowly" while showing us your DRUM cards Posts #537 >> 551.....Guess how many Demmitt & O'Hara St Louis cards exist ? Posts #553 >> 554.....FYI: T206 rosters of the 16 Major League teams Posts #561 >> 570.....FYI: T206 rosters of the 16 Major League teams Posts #571 >> 572.....FYI: 350 Series Minor Leaguer's checklist and trivia Posts #573 >> 573.....T206 Southern League cards illustrated Posts #574 >> 579.....T206 "Monster" obsession ? ....Check-out this one ! Posts #580 >> 597.....Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ? Posts #598 >> 600.....Any guesses why no CHESTERFIELD or LUCKY STRIKE T-cards ? Posts #601 >> 603.....Any guesses why no CHESTERFIELD or LUCKY STRIKE T-cards ? Posts #605 >> 621.....the TOLSTOI story Posts #622 >> 623.....Meet me at Philly, we can Talk T206's Posts #624 >> 635.....CYCLE 460 checklist Posts #636 >> 650.....The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement Posts #651 >> 664.....The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement Posts #665 >> 669.....UPGRADING T206 cards Posts #671 >> 674.....And then, there are times to down-grade your T206's Posts #675 >> 692.....Black LENOX checklist Posts #693 >> 697.....Check-out Jamie B's multi-brand T206 card Posts #698 >> 700.....Revisting the mysterious Ty Cobb card with TY COBB back Posts #701 >> 713.....Reprising the Ty Cobb / TY COBB card debate Posts #714 >> 726.....CYCLE 350 checklist..... where have all the CYCLE 350 cards gone ? Posts #727 >> 741.....the enigmatic Lajoie (with bat)..... Post your inputs and/or cards Posts #742 >> 750.....The elusive ELITE 11....show them, if you have them Posts #751 >> 760.....The elusive ELITE 11....show them, if you have them Posts #761 >> 800.....How do you collect T206's: Graded or Ungraded ?...show us your cards Posts #801 >> 821.....How do you collect T206's: Graded or Ungraded ?...show us your cards Posts #824 >> 832.....Possible sources of the T206 Wagner cards Posts #833 >> 850.....T206 BLANK-BACKS...if you have them, post them here Posts #851 >> 853.....T206 BLANK-BACKS...if you have them, post them here Posts #854 >> 883.....What backs are your favorite(s), and do you collect runs of them ? Posts #884 >> 900.....Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS Posts #901 >> 916.....Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS Posts #917 >> 944.....MISSION (99%) ACCOMPLISHED American Beauty 460 run. Show your favorite run Posts #945 >> 950.....Red Ink "Twins" > HINDU and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42 cards Posts #951 >> 961.....Red Ink "Twins" > HINDU and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42 cards Posts #962 >> 984.....Possible sources of the T206 Wagner cards (Re-visited) Posts #985 >> 1000....... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card Posts #1001 >> 1002..... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card Posts #1004 >> 1034.....Reminiscing about your 1st BB card Show where you acquired T206's Posts #1035 >> 1050.....Show T206's with same name on top or different player's name on top Posts #1051 >> 1066.....Show T206's with same name on top or different player's name on top Posts #1068 >> 1070.....Imagine the T206 guys come alive, great read about the 1904 season Posts #1071 >> 1086....."pet peeves" regarding certain T206's...and tell us of your's ? Posts #1087 >> 1100.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s) Posts #1101 >> 1116.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s) In this thread, I've tried to present some very complex aspects of the Series structure of the T206 set in a style which is understandable to most of the T206 collectors. However, if not clear, don't be shy about asking questions. Post your questions on this thread. Or, email me directly with your questions.... tedzan11@comcast.net In either event, I will gladly do my best to provide you clear and meaningful answer(s). TED Z . |
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Southpaw pitcher Bill Burns had a similar pitching style as Eddie Plank, which was a "crossfire" motion (that really
rattled Ty Cobb). Burns pitched for 5 different teams during his 5-year career (1908 - 1912) in the Major Leagues. Burns was one of the group of men who allegedly participated in the "Black-Sox" scandal in the 1919 World Series. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...blNameT206.jpg TED Z . |
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And, here are two more double same name cards.....and, two single name on top cards.
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...mDonFie50x.jpg Still waiting for you guys to display your cards. TED Z . |
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This one has been posted here before...but not while I've owned it.
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Here's a Hannifan almost no-name that I've had for a while..and a Crawford almost 2 names
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Great cards, thanks for posting them. The Beaumont with Seymour on top is real gem. TED Z . |
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Giving this thread a friendly bump with another double same name T206. And, perhaps some of you will add to this gallery of anomalies.
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...NameWiltse.jpg TED Z . |
This is one topic I don't think I have anything to share. Mainly because I purposely stayed away from miscut cards. I might have a couple minor one's but would have to dig out the cards and devote a day to see what I might have. I do have plans to scan the fronts and backs of all my T206's and share them on a website for everyone to see but that might turn out to be a winter project. Plus I'm still working on my T205 website and a T59 Flags site as well.
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Hi Ron
I am looking forward to seeing your T205Resource website again. Perhaps you can give me a ballpark figure of how many T205's were printed with the PIEDMONT Factory #42 back ? I've recently picked up a bunch of them; and, was wondering how many would be in a run (if I was foolish enough to take on this challenge) ? https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Piedmont42.jpg . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...edmont42bx.jpg TED Z . |
T206 Dahlen Boston, Wagner
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Very nice Dahlen....with Wagner on top, you have both Boston teams represented. Boston Nat'L on the bottom and Boston American on the top. Thanks for posting this card. TED Z . |
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And, here's another double-same-name T206. Barely legible; however, under magnification, the top name is the same.
https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...NameWillis.jpg TED Z . |
This site is amazing as far as the work done to identify so many rare issues. I did discover a brand new BL 460 according to the list I just viewed. It is a Magee. I’ll post an image of it a bit later. Thanks for all you do.
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Hi runandgun I appreciate your compliments. I checked out your post today, and I must say that the Magee BROAD LEAF 460 card is absolutely amazing. I added it to my BROAD LEAF 460 confirmed list in Post #101 in this thread. Thanks, again. TED Z . |
T206 BROAD LEAF 460 group
Near the end of the T206 press runs (circa late 1910-early 1911), American Lithographic separated the 63 subjects in the 350/460 series into two print groups. I have
identified these 2 groups as A and B. Illustrated here are the 35 subjects that were theoretically printed with the BROAD LEAF 460 back. To date, 29 of them are confirmed with the BROAD LEAF 460 backs. Identified here are the 6 subjects from Group A that have yet to be discovered with BROAD LEAF 460 backs. I expect that these 6 guys will eventually be discovered with the BROAD LEAF 460 back. Group A ...... ---------- Ames --------------------------------------------- Bender -------- ------------------------------------ Chance ------------------- Chase ------------------ Chase .https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...4cards25xx.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- L. Doyle https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...7cards25xx.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...14cards14x.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eaf460back.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...C150x30xxz.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ohnson208x.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...t150x12xxx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eetCap12xx.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...eign460x14.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...bbBat12xzz.jpg .... Sweet Caporal ..... Sovereign ......... Piedmont_____The "House" that created these Tobacco cards_____Old Mill ............ red Hindu ...... American Beauty There are a number of great books about the early days of BaseBall. And, of course one of the best is..... " The Glory of Their Times ", by Lawrence Ritter. The book I really enjoy reading as well is..... " The Year They Called Off The World Series ", by Benton Stark. Benton Stark is very descriptive in his stories of each player, your mind will visualize them playing the game. The 1904 season was a series of unbelievable events of which we have not seen the likes of in BaseBall ever since. Here's a list of T206 guys from the three teams that were in contention at the end of the 1904 season. All together there are approx. 70 players which are featured in the T206 set....that as you read about each one of them....they become alive in your mind. NY Highlanders "Happy Jack" Chesbro (Won 41 Games) Clark Griffith Al Orth Jack Powell Wid Conroy Patsy Dougherty [traded from Boston (AL) to NY (AL) on June 17, 1904] Kid Elberfeld John Ganzel Willie Keeler Red Kleinow Jimmy Williams NY Giants John McGraw Christy Mathewson Joe McGinnity Dummy Taylor Hooks Wiltse Red Ames Frank Bowerman Roger Bresnahan George Browne Bill Dahlen Art Devlin "Turkey Mike" Donlin Jack Dunn Billy Gilbert Moose McCormick Dan McGann Boston Pilgrims Denton "Cy" Young Bill Dineen Jesse Tannehill Jimmy Collins Patsy Dougherty (traded to NY AL) Hobe Ferris Freddy Parent Chick Stahl Bob Unglaub TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...C150x30xxz.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ohnson208x.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...t150x12xxx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eetCap12xx.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...eign460x14.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...bbBat12xzz.jpg .... Sweet Caporal ..... Sovereign ......... Piedmont_____The "House" that created these Tobacco cards_____Old Mill ............ red Hindu ...... American Beauty ........... 150 .................. 150 ................... 150 So, no World Series played in 1904, but there was joy in "Mudville".... because the Buffalo Bisons of the Eastern League defeated the American Association's St. Paul Saints, 2 games to 1. Buffalo was the 1904 "World Champions". This event was referred to as the "Junior World Series". I acquired this very rare beauty in Cooperstown (circa 1991) from a customer who came to the HOF weekend BB card Show. He found the T206 cards he was looking for at my table. So, I traded him several T206 stars for this classic 1904 piece of BaseBall history. I have searched for about 34 years to find another one of these 1904 Buffalo team cards. But, no luck. I'm curious, if any of you have one, or have seen one ? https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...sonsTeam50.jpg TED Z . |
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Well, it's been at least a week since I posted my Buffalo Bisons piece. I was hoping for some response regarding this, or any other related artifacts.
I do not think this piece is unique, yet after searching for 34 years for another like it, I'm now beginning to wonder. Again, I would really appreciate any information. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...gnerRptx25.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...vereign12x.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...eetCap12xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...BatP460x12.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...DGsgc60x11.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...mont150x13.jpg Approx 90% of the PIEDMONT 150 cards of the green portrait Cobb are found off-center (to the top). Furthermore, the Cy Young portrait with the PIEDMONT 150 back is usually off-center (to the top). I can attest to this, having sampled over 400 cards of each of these T206 subjects since 2005. You may ask why I am concerned over this ? Why not just select a PIEDMONT 350 Cobb (which is usually well-centered). Simply stated, just call me a perfectionist, who insists on having well-centered PIEDMONT 150 Cobb and Cy Young card in the 150 Series section of my all-PIEDMONT set. Quaint thinking, perhaps, but that's just me. I've had this Cobb for many years. It's one of the best looking T206's in my collection. Eventually, I intend to get it graded. My guess is that it will get a high #. The green Cobb and the Cy Young portrait were most likely printed in the top row of their sheet. And, these early PIEDMONT sheets were mis-cut resulting in the narrow top borders on the cards located on their top row. American Lithographic (ALC) printed the PIEDMONT brand first in press runs of T206 backs (on the preprinted sheets of T206 fronts). Proof of this process is revealed by the Magie and Joe Doyle error cards. The Magie is ONLY a PIEDMONT 150 card, and the Doyle error is ONLY a PIEDMONT 350 card. Having said all that, I'm curious....do any of you serious T206 collectors have similar "pet peeves" regarding certain T206 cards ? If so, show-n-tell about your T206 "peeves" https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...edmont150b.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...iedmont150.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
Ted (Hi Ted), I think collectors opt for the OC Green Cobb in the 150 series (versus 350) because the ink and clarity is always better. Maybe Cy too.
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They were definitely in the top row of some of the piedmont 150 sheets Attachment 423856 but they weren't just in the top row Attachment 423857 Attachment 423858 they are both also on the same piedmont 150 plate scratch sheets. This isn't necessarily the full sheet but it is the minimum size of the sheet based on lining all the known plate scratches of these subjects up. Attachment 423875 Your Cobb does have a plate scratch and the scratch lines up here on the sheet Attachment 423876 |
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All those guys were on same sheet? That is one hell of a sheet!
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The artistry overall seen in the T206 set is really nice, but for some reason the cards that are not at that same level really bug me. Here is an example of one. Emil Batch. It would be interesting to find out if anyone but a relative or Rochester collector would even think of collecting a back run of him. As seen by the photo, perhaps the artist didn't have much to work with, but still he didn't have to make him into such an egghead.
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I have to differ with you. The T206 Honus Wagner is a 150-only Series subject. All the subjects on the sheet in Post #1073 are 150/350 Series subjects. Therefore, it is impossible that Wagner was printed on that sheet with those cards. Furthermore, this 5 card strip..... http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...rStripX19x.jpg ......is NOT an authentic production piece. It is simply a strip of "proof" cards which American Lithographic (ALC) put together. The story goes that ALC did this, gave it to Wagner in order to persuade him to permit them to print his image on T206 cards. Note....that Brown, Bowerman, Kling and Cy Young cards are missing colors on their uniforms. This certainly tells us that this strip is not a standard production piece. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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I don't understand this reasoning, all of the other 150 only subjects were pulled prior to the transition to the 350 printing except for Brown (Chicago), Magie and Wagner. Wagner was pulled quickly so I don't think it's a stretch to say he was on a sheet with 150/350 subjects and it's almost certain that he was. You yourself have stated many times that you think he was on the same sheet as Plank who is a 150/350 subject. I only stated that he might have been on this sheet based on the Wagner strip. I'm not sure what the odds are but they have to be pretty high that out of 150+ subjects the three subjects from the strip that have confirmed plate scratches are in the exact same position on this plate scratch sheet as they are on the strip. Attachment 423952 |
T206 150-only Series cards......
American Lithographic initially printed 12 subjects on a sheet which were the first T206's (issued circa Spring/Summer 1909). Depicted here are these 12 guys............
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...urchDonlin.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tPeltyReul.jpg The above 10 subjects were issued with these 5 backs...... http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...30Hindu12x.jpg The Wagner and Plank were printed with PIEDMONT 150 and SWEET CAPORAL 150 (Factory #25 & #30)......but, were issued only with the SWEET CAP brand. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...gnerRpt15x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...SC150x30xb.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...kSC150x30x.jpg Furthermore, for a very short period, American Litho continued issuing the Plank card (with the SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory #30 back) against Eddie's wishes. Eddie Plank was very anti-tobacco (in any form) ** Pat R You are entitled to your opinion. However, as I see this, the Plank card is a true 150-only Series card. As is the Honus Wagner card. ** Note...... Documented in Connie Mack's Biography (by Norman L. Macht) TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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We do have different opinions on many things in the t206 set but it's not an opinion that Plank is a 150/350 subject it is a fact. 150 only means exactly what it states only printed with 150 series backs. Not only was Plank printed with a SC350/30 back of all the know examples there are twice as many SC350/30 backs as there are Piedmont and Sweet Caporal 150 backs. In this Plank Gallery of the examples with back images there are 16 PD150 and SC150's and 34 SC350/30's. http://www.t206resource.com/Plank-Gallery.html |
Some cards in the 150's were printed three different times.
And I'm fairly certain that the masters were changed between the 150 and 350 series, and that the first P350's were done on leftover sheets from 150 production. 350's also were redone, maybe also 3 times, but usually the adjustments were less obvious. The 150, 150/350 thing is a start, but a simplification that we should let go. |
T206 Eddie Plank story
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Well, I am going to repeat here (for those who have not heard this before) what I've mentioned about this subject several times in the past on this forum. The Plank card is a unique oddity in the T206 set. Here is how it starts...... As I've mentioned above (Post #1080) and numerous times in the past, Eddie Plank disdained any form of tobacco. He informed ATC that he did not want his image on their Tobacco card. I researched all this years ago, including a conversation with a Philadelphia lawyer, who informed me that you needed only a "cease and desist" order in 1909 to prevent your image from appearing on anything that offended you. Plank is depicted on numerous E-type Candy cards during that period. The only other Tobacco card he appears on is the 1909 Ramly. At the end of his Major Lge. career (circa 1916) he's featured in the T216 Tobacco cards (KOTTON, MINO, VIRGINIA EXTRA brands). These were not ATC brands. The images on these card are from the printing firm which produced the E90-type cards. The T206 Plank card cannot be referred to as a "150/350" card since it was NOT printed with any combination of EPDG, OLD MILL, PIEDMONT 350, SOVEREIGN, TOLSTOI backs (as are most 150/350 subjects). The Plank card is indeed a 150-only subject. Plank was on the same sheet that the famous Gretzky Wagner was cut from. American Lithographic printing the Plank card with the SWEET CAP 350 Factory #30 back is most likely the result of ATC's desire to continue featuring Plank in the T206 set. Plank was very popular by 1908. In his first 8 years he had 167 victories (a remarkable average of 21 games Won per season). I could continue with more stuff regarding my research into the T206 Plank, however I think enough said for now. I have more important things to attend to today, than my repetition of stories that I've said before on this forum. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Hi Mike Very interesting. I only have 150 Series green Cobb's. Comparing my PIEDMONT 150 and SOVEREIGN 150 green Cobb's, the images and green color appear very similar....and, very nice. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ereign150x.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...reign150bx.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...gnerRptx25.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...vereign12x.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...eetCap12xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...BatP460x12.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...mont350x13.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...mont150x13.jpg In 2007, I completed a basic set of 402 different SOVEREIGN cards in less than 11 months. Having accomplished this, I went on to doing an all - SOVEREIGN master set. However, I found this challenge to be quite a frustrating experience. Certain 150/350 subjects are very difficult to find with SOVEREIGN 150 backs. Illustrated here is an example of this enigma. It took me at least 2 years to get the 150 version of this Wiltse card. Other "toughies that come to mind are....Bell, Camnitz, Flick, Fielder Jones, Weimer, etc. Anyway, I'm on my way to completing this 476-card master set. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...v150sov350.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...v150sov350.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...fdBaker12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...BatP460x12.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...mont350x13.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...eign460x12.jpg I received a couple of emails from Net54 guys, one of which requested a master set checklist for an all - SOVEREIGN set. And, here it is...... The SOVEREIGN set comprises of 402 different T206 subjects. And, a complete master SOVEREIGN set comprises of 476 cards. 150-only Series..............12 subjects confirmed. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...30Hindu12x.jpg Ames (hands at chest) M. Brown (Cubs) G. Browne (Chicago Nat'L) Burch (batting) Donlin (fielding) L. Doyle (throwing) Evers (Cubs-batting) Pattee (horizontal) Pelty (horizontal) Powers Reulbach (glove) Schulte (with bat) 150/350 Series..................138 confirmed with "150 SUBJECTS" backs Abbaticchio (brown sleeves) Alperman Ames (portrait) Ball (New York) Bates Beaumont Bell (hands over head) Bender (portrait) Bergen (bat) Birmingham Bowerman Bradley (portrait) Bransfield Bridwell (portrait-no cap) Bresnahan (portrait) M. Brown (portrait) Camnitz (arms folded) Chance (red portrait) Chase (pink portrait) Chase (white cap) Chesbro Cicotte Clarke (portrait) Clarke (bat) JJ Clarke Cobb (green) Cobb (bat on shoulder) Conroy (fielding) Coveleski Crandall (no cap) Criger Criss Dahlen (Boston Nat'L) George Davis (Chicago) Harry Davis (A's) Delehanty (Washington) Devlin Donlin (seated) Donohue Donovan (portrait) Dooin Doolin Dougherty (portrait) Durham Elberfeld (New York Amer.) Evers (portrait) Ewing Ferris Flick Ganley Gibson Gilbert Goode Griffith (portrait) Hahn Hemphill Herzog (New York Nat'L) Hinchman (Cleveland) Isbell Jacklitsch Johnson (portrait) F. Jones (portrait) F. Jones (hands at hips) T. Jones (St Louis Amer.) Jordan (portrait) Joss (portrait) Karger Keeler (portrait) Keeler (bat) Killian (pitching) Kleinow (bat) Kling Konetchy (glove high) Lajoie (portrait) Lajoie (throwing) Lake (New York) Leach (portrait) Leifield (pitching) Liebhardt Lindaman Lobert Lumley Magee (portrait) Manning (bat) Marquard (hands at side) Mathewson (portrait) Mathewson (white cap) McGraw (portrait-no cap) McGraw (pointing) McIntyre (Brooklyn) McQuillan (ball in hand) Merkle (portrait) Mullin (horizontal) Murphy (horizontal) Nicholls (hands on knees) Niles Oldring (fielding) O'Leary (portrait) Overall (portrait) Owen Parent Pastorius Powell Ritchey Rucker (portrait) Schaefer (Detroit) Schlei (catching) Schmidt (throwing) Seymour (bat) Shaw (St Louis Nat'L) Sheckard (no glove) Shipke F. Smith (Chicago) Spade Spencer Stahl (no glove Steinfeldt (portrait) Stone Stovall (portrait) Sullivan L Tannehill (Chicago) Tenney Tinker (portrait) Tinker (hands on knees) Turner Waddell (portrait) Waddell (throwing) Wagner (bat on left) Wallace Walsh Weimer Doc White (portrait) Wilhelm (hands at chest) Williams Willis (portrait) Wiltse (portrait-no cap) CYoung (portrait) CYoung (bare hand) 150/350 Series..................70 confirmed with "350 SUBJECTS" backs Abbaticchio (brown sleeves) Ames (portrait) Bell (hands over head) Bender (portrait) Birmingham Bridwell (portrait-no cap) Bresnahan (portrait) M. Brown (portrait) Camnitz (arms folded) Cicotte Cobb (bat on shoulder) Crawford (throwing) Criger Criss Devlin Donlin (seated) Donohue Dooin Dougherty (portrait) Elberfeld (New York Amer.) Ferris Flick Goode Griffith (portrait) Isbell Jacklitsch Jennings (portrait) Johnson (portrait) F. Jones (portrait) F. Jones (hands at hips) Joss (portrait) Keeler (bat) Kleinow (bat) Kling Lajoie (portrait) Leifield (pitching) Liebhardt Manning (bat) Mathewson (portrait) McGraw (portrait-no cap) McGraw (pointing) Merkle (portrait) Murphy (horizontal) Nicholls (hands on knees) Niles Oldring (fielding) O'Leary (portrait) Parent Seymour (bat) Shaw (St Louis Nat'L) Sheckard (no glove) Shipke F. Smith (Chicago) Stahl (no glove Stone Stovall (portrait) Sullivan Tenney Tinker (hands on knees) Turner Waddell (portrait) Waddell (throwing) Wallace Walsh Weimer Doc White (portrait) Willis (portrait) Wiltse (portrait-no cap) CYoung (portrait) CYoung (bare hand) SOVEREIGN 350-only Series.......... 138confirmed subjects Abbott Anderson Armbruster Arndt Atz Barry (A's) Barry (Milw) Batch Beck Beckley Bender (trees) Bescher (portrait) Blackburne Brain Browne (Washington) Burke Burns Bush Butler Byrne Campbell Carr Carrigan Casey Cassidy Chappelle Clancy Collins (A's) Congalton Cravath Cree Dahlen (Brooklyn) Dineen Donovan (throwing) Doolan (fielding) Downs Dubuc Dunn (Baltimore) Dunn (Brooklyn) Dygert Easterly Egan Ferguson Fiene (portrait) Fiene (throwing) Flanagan Fromme Gasper Graham (Boston) Grimshaw Hall Hallman Hannifan Hartsel Hinchman (Toledo) Hoblitzell Hoffman (Providence) Hofman Howard (Chicago) Howell (portrait) Huggins (portrait) Huggins (hands/mouth) Hulswitt Jackson Kelley Killian (portrait) Kisinger Knabe Knight (portrait) Knight (bat) Krause (portrait) Krause (pitching) Kroh Kruger Lavender Lennox Livingstone Malarkey Marquard (portrait) McCormick McGann McGinley McGinnity McGlynn McIntyre (Detroit) Merritt Milligan Mitchell (Cinci) Mitchell (Toronto) Moeller Moran (Chicago) Moran (Providence) Moriarty Mowrey Myers (fielding) Oakes Oberlin O'Brien O'Hara (NY Nat'L) O'Neill Paskert Perring Pfeister (seated) Phelan Phelps Pickering Poland Purtell Quillen Quinn Randall Raymond Rhoades (hands at chest) Rossman Schmidt (portrait) Scott Shaw (Providence) Slagle Smith (Buffalo) Speaker Stanage Stephens Strang Street (portrait) Summers Sweeney (Boston) J. Tannehill (Washington) Taylor Thielmann Thomas Titus Unglaub Warhop White (Buffalo) Wilson Wright Irv Young Zimmerman "350/460 Series"...................... 66 subjects (apple green backs) Ames (hands over head) Baker Bender (no trees) Berger Bradley (bat) M. Brown (Chicago) Burch (fielding) Chance (yellow portrait) Chase (blue portrait) Chase (dark cap) Cobb (red portrait) Cobb (bat off shoulder) Conroy (bat) Davis (A's) Crawford (bat) Donlin (bat) Doolan (bat) Dougherty (arm in air) Downey (bat) Joe Doyle Larry Doyle (bat) Elberfeld (Washington-fielding) Evers (bat-yellow sky) Griffith (bat) Jennings (one hand) Jennings (both hands) Johnson (pitching) Jordan (bat) Joss (pitching) Kleinow (New York Amer.) Konetchy (glove low) Lajoie (bat) Lake (no ball) Leach (cap) Leifield (bat) Magee (bat) Manning (pitching) Mathewson (dark cap) McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago) McQuillan (bat) Mullin (bat) Murphy (bat) Nichols (bat) O'Leary (hands on knees) Overall (yellow sky) Pelty (vertical) Pfeister (throwing) Reulbach (no glove) Rhoades (arm extended) Rucker (throwing) Seymour (throwing) F. Smith (Chicago) Snodgrass (catching) Stahl (glove) Steinfeldt (bat) Street (catching) Sweeney (fielding) Tinker (bat off shoulder) Wagner (bat on right) White (pitching) Wilhelm (bat) Willetts Willis (bat) Willis (throwing) Wiltse (throwing) CYoung (glove) 460-only Series...................... 46 subjects confirmed Abbaticchio (blue sleeves) Ball (Cleveland) Bell (follow thru) Bergen (catching) Bescher (hands over head) Bridwell (portrait-cap) Camnitz (hands over head) Camnitz (arm at side) Chance (bat) Chase (trophy) Crandall (portrait-cap) Devore Duffy Larry Doyle (portrait) Ford Frill Gandil Geyer Herzog (Boston) Howell (hand at waist) Hummel Lake, St. Louis (ball) Latham Marquard (pitching) McGraw (portrait-cap) McGraw (glove at hip) Merkle (throwing) Meyers (portrait) Murray (portrait) Needham Oldring (batting) Overall (blue sky) Payne Pfeffer Schaefer (Washington) Schlei (portrait) Schlei (bat) Schulte (back view) Seymour (portrait) Sheckard (glove) Smith (Brooklyn) Stovall (bat) Tannehill (Chicago) Tinker (bat on shoulder) Wheat Wiltse (portrait-cap) The Six Super-Prints were also printed with SOVEREIGN 460 backs. 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Whoops ! .....I'm really referring to antique CARDS :) Anyhow, just showing-off this classic from my youth.....the 312 cu.-inch T-bird engine still "purrs". This Herzog card is one of several unique cards which are (or were) in my T206 collection. The recent provenance of this card dates back to circa 1990's. My great ole friend, Ralph Triplette, acquired this card from a small BB card shop in his town of Sylva, NC. When I visited him 7 years ago, we did a nice deal for it. This Herzog card is still the only one known with a UZIT back. OK show us your unique T206 card(s). Furthermore the stories regarding these T206's are sometimes very interesting, so feel free to tell us about them. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...erzogSGC45.jpg . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ogUZITx37b.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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I acquired this AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 Jennings card quite a number of years ago. Until recently, it was the only one known with an AB 460
back. Now, the PSA pop report has two new ones listed (graded 1.5 and 2). I sold this card to David Hall several Chicago National Shows ago. So now you'll find this Jennings listed in the PSA pop report as a 5 (David had it re-graded). And, this same card is still listed in the SGC pop report as a 60 (I had it graded when SGC was in New Jersey, circa 2010). http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ningsSGC60.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...sHand50xbx.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
Ted, I have several brown old mills, brown Lenox, and an E Collins blank back that are currently 1 of 1. I will try to post tmrw. I have many that are less than 5, and a few that are 1 of 2, but I don’t think I have any more “common” back 1 of 1s.
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In 2013 I bought this Ames in Sterling. It was described as "unknown and thought to be not possible." I later traded it to a board member who said a few more had surfaced. I got a T205 Bresnahan closed mouth Piedmont 42 for it.
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The Ames with a SC 460 Factory #42 was known many years ago. In fact, 35 subjects of the 350/460 series (of which Ames is in this group) are found with this back. Furthermore, this particular SC back is a "kissing cousin" with the red HINDU back. These 2 backs were printed simultaneously. To date, 33 of this group of 35 subjects are confirmed with red HINDU backs. But, Ames has yet to be confirmed with the red HINDU back. My prediction is the Ames will discovered with the red HINDU back. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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I have this Magee that seemed to me to be a card that shouldn't exist (Sweet Caporal 460 factory 30), until I showed it on here and the speculation was that the overstrike was not printed.
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Ted, I was going with the AH's description, I had no knowledge at the time whether it existed or not. I don't think the Resource site had confirmed it in 2013. Maybe Sterling remembers the details. Anyway paid $55 and traded it soon after for the T205.
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Also, here's a Crandall SC460 42. Sorry to get off track from the 1/1's. I'll try and think if I had or have anything that came close to a 1/1. If I still had my 1980 Fiat or 1973 BMW 2002, I would post those, sadly, they are long ago traded away.
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http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tCap460x42.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...HINDUx25bx.jpg American Lithographic printed 47 subjects with the red HINDU back and it's "cousin", SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #42. 350/460 series....35 subjects confirmed with SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #42. To date, 32 of these 35 subjects have been confirmed with red HINDU. Ames (hands above head) ** Baker Bender (no trees) M. Brown (Chicago) Chance (portrait-yellow) Chase (blue) Chase (dark cap) Cobb (red portrait) Davis (A's) Donlin (bat) Doolan (bat) Dougherty (arm in air) Downey (bat) Larry Doyle (bat) Elberfeld (Washington-fielding) Evers (Chicago-yellow sky) Griffith (bat) Johnson (pitching) Joss (pitching) Kleinow (Boston) Konetchy (glove low) Magee (bat) Mathewson (dark cap) ** McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago) Murphy (batting) O'Leary (hands on knees) Reulbach (no glove) ** Rucker (throwing) Seymour (throwing) Snodgrass (catching) Stahl (glove) Street (fielding) Sweeney (fielding) Willis (throwing) CYoung (glove) ** Note.... the following 3 subjects have yet to be confirmed with the red HINDU back. My prediction is that all three will eventually be discovered. Ames (hands above head) Mathewson (dark cap) Reulbach (no glove) 460-only series......Exclusive 12 (confirmed with red HINDU and SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #42. Crandall (cap) Devore Duffy Ford Gandil Geyer Hummel McGraw (glove at hip) Pfeffer Sheckard (glove) Tannehill (Chicago) Wheat TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
I believe these are my only one of one's so far.
T206 Nap Lajoie With Bat - Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 "No Print" http://www.unclenacki.com/net54/lajoie.jpg T206 Jack Powell - Old Mill "Blue Ink" Back http://www.myt206.com/net54/powellfront500.jpghttp://www.myt206.com/net54/powellback500.jpg |
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The SGC card of Jennings you have displayed is the exactly same one I originally had. This is obvious by the same "diamond cut" on all of three of these cards on display. Furthermore, it's obvious that it has gone thru a 4th iteration of SGC Grading. When I acquired it was Graded by SGC as an "A"...... https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ngsHandx50.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ningsSGC60.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...gsHandx50b.jpg ----------------------- http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...sHand50xbx.jpg I cracked open the "A" version (card on left) and re-submitted it to SGC (about 10 years ago). Which resulted in the "60" Grade version. You can trace the progress of these iterative Gradings by simply observing the Serial #s on their flips. Obviously, there was an intermittent Grading of this card from the one you have displayed, in which it received an "A" grade. As I have said, I acquired this card with its "A" Grade. I paid a very reasonable price for it (I guess because of this Grade). I will reprise what I stated (in post #1088)....years ago when I acquired this AB 460 Jennings card, it was the only one known at that time. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . x |
Ted the SGC 60 you posted is definitely not the same card as the SGC 60 I posted.
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I'm the current owner of the Ted / David Jennings, and I agree its a different card than the SGC60 Pat posted.
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Ron Two really great cards, thanks for posting them. I'll continue playing this game by posting a Blank Back and a Blank Front (caption). Unless some one proves otherwise, I think this Mullaney and No Name Ryan are unique..... http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...yBlankBack.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...BlankBackb.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...RyanNoName.jpg PIEDMONT 350 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . OLD MILL TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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The one card I can contribute to the thread.
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Great....I was wondering about who ended up with this Schulte anomaly from David Hall's set. I refer to it as a printing anomaly, because I cannot classify it as an "Elite 11" subject until an El Principe de Gales card of this Schulte surfaces. Whatever....I'll match you....and, raise you one.... :) https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ckSchulteX.jpg . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...kSchulteXb.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Here is my favorite one of a kind T206 cards in my collection. There are several reasons why this McGraw
is my favorite unique card. And, this is the most significant one...... http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...loveUZITxb.jpg . . . . . . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ZITxSGC30x.jpg As rare as the UZIT cards are, the most difficult ones to find are in the group I refer to as the Exclusive 12 in the 460-only Series. To date, only 5* of these 12 subjects have been discovered with the UZIT back. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...460x42x25x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...460x42x25x.jpg Crandall (cap) * Devore Duffy Ford Gandil Geyer * Hummel * McGraw (glove at hip) * Pfeffer Sheckard (glove) * Tannehill (Chicago) Wheat Furthermore (and it's been a 40-year search), only a single UZIT example of 4 of these five Exclusive 12 subjects has been confirmed. Geyer has 2 examples known. WOW ! ....is that scarcity, or what ? TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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How about the "ONLY KNOWN" T206 that is a TRUE " NO NAME/NO TEAM/NO JERSEY LETTERING in EXISTENCE!
This did come out of a cigarette pack back in 1910. Came from a private Collection of over 250 T206 cards. Opened Piedmont tobacco packs and all were in the Collection. This card was the only anomaly! I have challenged others to prove me wrong with photos of other T206 cards that are similar. I haven't SEEN one yet! Here is another Chance! Show them Boys! |
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Thanks to Toby (bigfish), I completed this AMERICAN BEAUTY - BROAD LEAF - CYCLE - DRUM sub-set. I acquired this DRUM
card of Frank Delahanty from Toby back in 2007 at the Philly (Reading) Show. Delahanty is my favorite T206 Minor Leaguer. I haven't seen another Delahanty DRUM card since 2007. PSA pop report lists none, and the last time I looked, neither does SGC. Therefore, until some one reports he has one (or knows of one), I consider this Delahanty DRUM card unique. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ntyABCDx50.jpg .http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tyABCDx50b.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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SGC does have one in their pop reports but it is the one you have. It was in
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Is there a T206 "proof cards" check-list....so, we can see if this Puttman card is unique (or not) ?
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This yellow-brown "scrap" of Doolan may be a one of a kind T206. I am posting it here to see if any one else has one.
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Cf30xscrap.jpg Showing off the remainder of this Doolan run......this image is my favorite action pose. I need his BROAD LEAF 350 card to complete this run. Any help is greatly appreciated. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ycle350xxx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...PONDoolanX.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...cle350bxxx.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Doolan19xB.jpg Sweet Cap, Fact. #25 http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ovTolstoiX.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...vTolstoiBx.jpg Furthermore, I would be remiss if I didn't include this "mega beauty" :) http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...3Doolan25x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Doolan25xB.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
Mike Donlin yellow-brown "scrap"
"Turkey Mike" was quite a character. He was the "Talk of the Town" in New York City. Not only for his BB prowess, but also his vaudeville
performances (with his wife) on Broadway. Mike would have been a "contender" for the BB Hall of Fame with his career BA = .333 and a Slugging Avg. = .468 (higher than many stars in the Deadball Era), if he had just devoted more of his time to BB. Any given time when the TCM channel is featuring Silent Movies, there is a good chance you'll see Donlin in the cast. He was featured in 53 movies. The most notable ones being "The General" and "Slide Kelly Slide". Just a simple explanation why Mike Donlin is one of my favorite T206's. Especially, his batting pose in the white-bordered tobacco cards. Here is a partial run which I will be working on for quite some time to complete. My question to any of you is....is the yellow-brown "scrap" in my run a unique card ? I haven't seen another such Donlin; however, there are quite a number of T206 yellow-brown scraps in circulation in the hobby. I appreciate your response. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...dmont42x25.jpg . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...p3x4Fac30x.jpg PIEDMONT #42 http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...p460sc42pb.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...p460sc42pb.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Factrory42.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ycle460x25.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ctrory42Bb.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...le460x25bx.jpg TED Z |
T206 REFERENCE.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s)
Well, no new responses here, so I'll post another one of my possible "one of a kind" T206's.....this printing anomaly of Carl Lundgren.
In 1984, Barry Sloate introduced me to the "world" of rare T206 front/back combos, by selling me this Lundgren with the EPDG back. This was the beginning of an an obsession that continues with me till this day. I completed it's back run (only 3 cards needed). And, I have included the color-error (missing blue ink) of Lundgren, since I I think this card may be a unique T206. Perhaps another one may exist, so if you have one, please post it here. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...n4versions.jpg .http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...n4versions.jpg TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Always love seeing this thread. I’m not certain of this is 1/1, but it’s pretty cool IMO.
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Sonny, great Matty BB!
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Your Mike Donlin With Bat is the only one I've seen. I try to save all images of these Yellow/Brown scraps as they come along and get listed. GROUP "A" 29 Hand-Cut Yellow/Brown Color (Scrap - Not Issued) Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 back (This Front/Back combo was never issued in tobacco products). I'm missing the following scans/images of the following Yellow/Brown Scraps. Any help with a scan or picture would be appreciated. FRANK HOME RUN BAKER (I have a scan but I don't believe it to be a Yellow/Brown) PATSY DOUGHERTY - ARM IN AIR RED KLEINOW - BOSTON - CATCHING NAP RUCKER - THROWING GROUP "B" 28 Hand-Cut Full Color (Scrap - Not Issued) Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 back (This Front/Back combo was never issued in tobacco products). This 28 card set I personally own and can share scans of any of the 28 cards when requested. GROUP "C" or "Super Prints" 6 Hand-Cut Yellow/Brown Color (Scrap - Not Issued) Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 back (This Front/Back combo was issued in tobacco products, but only the full color non scrap version of the cards). I'm missing the following scans/images of the following Yellow/Brown Scraps. Any help with a scan or picture would be appreciated. HAL CHASE - BLACK CAP TY COBB - PORTRAIT RED Thank you in advance for the help that anyone can provide to my missing scans collection. I would really like to put together a complete Yellow/Brown Subset. It would go great with my 28 card "No Print" set. Because these sheets of cards were literally stacked side by side, waiting for their Factory Overprint to be added. The only difference was the "Group B" cards were ready for their overprint and then be cut into singles, but someone grabbed a few sheets before that happened and most likely brought them home for the kids to cut up and play with. The "Group A" Yellow/Brown scraps were likely taken straight from the trash can and brought home, maybe by the same person. We will never know. The 6 Super Print scraps are interesting but because that exact front/back combo was made and inserted into packs, they are missing that specialness I crave. |
Wow Sonny!! You have some serious Mattys. That is a great blank back
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