came across this on ebay - I have never seen one before thought id post it & instead of starting a new thread this should do - im not a sig collector but wish I could afford this one -


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Here's a photo of all the players in the Addie Joss Benefit game : ( no player in dark uniform on the field )

Research Casts New Light on Authenticity of “Shoeless Joe” Jackson’s T202 Rookie Card
 

The detective work that played out on this Net54 forum in May-June 2010 remains a fascinating display of suspicion, research and ingenuity. The community meticulously evaluated and debated every pixel of the card, every piece of historical context, and made remarkable discoveries.

What seems to be lacking in the decade since the discovery is the story of the actual in-game photograph and Shoeless Joe’s distinctive right-ankle wrap that provides smoking-gun evidence.

Those stories, along with a bit of new research and a summary of the Net54 findings, were recently published at the CollectingLegends.com website.

Welcome to the forum. Nice first post.

so so at best.

One of the few middle panels I have from the set.

I have had my antique booth in Destin open since last March, and had the middle panel of sliding into third listed for $30 as "possible Shoeless Joe" and it didn't sell. So I brought it back home today when I restocked my booth. (Should have said panel is not for sale.)

I sold more in this month at the store than I did in all the months before June (14 of them) combined.

This is what net 54 does best
 

This was a great thread. I definitely enjoyed reading it.

Greenville Baseball Team
 

Greenville Baseball Team - who does the guy in the backseat with the turtle neck look like?

man I'm normally a massive skeptic on posts like these, but I'll be damned if it doesn't look a lot like him. Appears to my inexpert eye to even pass the ear test, and he played for Greenville in 1908. BTW Not a turtle neck, apparently popped collars go back a lot further than the 80s! Look at the player in the front of the car for a clearer example.

That does look a lot like Joe, but the dude in car seems to have more of a squared off and larger chin than Jackson. Could just be the angle...

Brian

Incoming ear analysis...

Not even close, IMO. Different eyes, facial structure, chin, etc. The guy in the car is skinnier and neck is much longer than Joe’s.

Gotta be Paul Waner...not a doubt in my mind. :rolleyes:

I'm no forensic scientist, but when you adjust size and tilt the features line up exactly. eyes same distance apart, nose same length, heavy shadow under the overhang of the lower lip, when you drag one over the other everything lines up 100% It's kind of amazing that the angle of both photos was so similar, which made this easier.

The slight differences in the contours of the face can be attributed to my amateur crop job.

I don't think it looks like him.

Also, there are 34 cities named Greenville in the U.S.

Can we see the back of the postcard?

First thing I noticed!

Also, Love the thread, had never seen it before.

This site, https://www.valuablepostcards.com/search?q=greenville, states this is Greenville, GA 1909. Sold for $374 in July 2020. And the PC sold on ebay with 28 bids.

Here's Jackson with the correct 1908 Greenville team.

https://photos.imageevent.com/bicem/...%20Cabinet.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/bicem/...0Cabinet_2.jpg

[QUOTE=Bicem;2108053]Here's Jackson with the correct 1908 Greenville team./QUOTE]

That squatting player does look a lot like Shoeless Joe. But seriously, Joe has a much younger look in this photo compared to the Greenville Car Gang photo.

Brian

Thanks for the post Jeff, that player next to Joe resembles the car guy photo, any idea who that is?

That is really funny.

I do not think that it is Joe Jackson either. Not even close to me.

I never said it was Joe Jackson, but it sure looks like him - and ironic he is in a Greenville jersey. Would not be surprised if he was a close relative of Joe Jackson (he had brothers). Sideburns are the only real difference I see.

If this guy was a Trump supporter, at the Capitol on 6 January, the FBI would have arrested Joe Jackson by now...

I see the resemblance, I mean how many other people do you know that have two eyes, a nose and a mouth.

The player sliding bears a certain resemblance to Shoeless Joe.

So had to look since I got caught up in the mystery of this thread.

This guy on eBay has 3 of them for sale (1 auction) and he identifies them as JOE JACKSON cards.

Has the theory been proven as of now? The thread started over 10 years ago.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/22461198152...IAAOSwhelhQrQe

I believe the general consensus is that Lord-Tannehil card depicts Joe Jackson. Preward Cards and Sports Collectors Daily recognizes it. It is even mentioned in Wikipedia.

There is supposedly another one: T202 McBride-Milan ( Schaeffer Holding First) . The card sold on Ebay over the weekend and the seller said that Joe Jackson is in that one also.

The Greatest Net54 Thread Ever!
 

I feel like it's time to resurrect this thread . . . the one that put Net54 on the map for me. I discovered it until 2012 when I then became a member, and pored over it for more than an hour, taking in all of the findings and discussions.

Lets' see your T202 Joe Jackson cards or any other Jackson cards from his playing days!

I don't have one of those but I do have this one:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...%20Jackson.jpg

Got it as a throw-in on a purchase at a National. The dealer and I had a good laugh about it. Someone went to a lot of effort to create it from a Fatima poster, so I figured I might as well enjoy it.

I still can't figure out why "Lords catches his man" features Jackson, at least according to some, and "Too late for Devlin" doesn't. They look like the same player to me.

I have the most important part of a T202 Lord/Tannehill card.

Brian

They do bear some facial similarity, but, to me, they are not quite dead-ringers. The sliding figure in "Lord Catches His Man" Has some solid newspaper provenance as well. Is there any such provenance for the guy sliding toward Art Devlin?

No, it's not...

Why the negativity and what does this add to the discussion?

We are talking baseball cards, and this hobby is supposed to be for relaxation and fun.

My two cents:

I would definitely take the 'under' on the pic to the left (ball in air) and the 'over' on the image to the right, with regards to whether or not it is 'Shoeless' Joe.

The former could really be anyone. His contorted face could be shoehorned to look a bit like Joe Jackson, but I highly doubt that's him. The latter seems to show someone who is much more likely to be him...but could still possibly be someone else who has a similar look to JJ.

Originally Posted by Chris Counts:

I still can't figure out why "Lords catches his man" features Jackson, at least according to some, and "Too late for Devlin" doesn't. They look like the same player to me.


The Too Late for Devlin cannot possibly be Joe Jackson, as Devlin played his entire career in the National League, and Jackson played entirely in the American League.

The sliding player must be a Cincinnati Red.


Steve

I agree that it can't be Devlin and an American League player in the image, but it can't be a Red, because the Cincinnati uniform in those years did not feature a dark cap with a light-colored C. The home uniform had a red cap with no C (except in 1909, when they had a white cap with a red C). The road uniform 1909-1911 was dark blue, and the cap had a red C. In 1912 they wore a gray road uniform with a gray cap, but no C.

The Chicago Cubs' home uniform in 1911 and 1912 featured a dark cap with a white C. This seems like a better match. I've attached an image of Joe Tinker from 1911 or 1912 that had been available at RMY Auctions. (I do not own this photo.)

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Damn, I totally forgot Chicago started with a C. As I was typing the post, I could only come up with Cincinnati as a "C" team.

Steve

Meanwhile, this is Ty Cobb...

This was confirmed to be Shoeless Joe Jackson in the center panel via an old newspaper article with the exact picture of the play and the article naming Joe Jackson himself. Highest graded version is a PSA-7 with a total pop of 60.

Leland’s is currently auctioning Joe Jackson’s personal scrapbook!

I asked Tom for some additional images from it to be added to the listing. Upon close inspection, I found in it a newspaper article clipping showing Jackson’s infamous slide, same image depiction used in the T202 center panel card?

https://auction.lelands.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=126591

Jackson
 

The same image as what T202 card? It's not the same image as depicted on the Lord Catches His Man card.

I don't doubt it's the same play but it's definitely not the same photo.

Don't recall posing during this thread's lifetime and surprised to see it back. Apologies for not reviewing the thread to see at what length this was already discussed, but ...

I know I wasn't that invested in either the card or the outcome, other than as a curiosity - and still am not - but looking at it more closely now, I can't even believe its the same play in the same game.

First, the 3rd baseman's foot positioning is so different (right foot in front/to right of the bag on the card, but behind the bag on newspaper photo) and
Second ... his uniform/sock don't appear to match. Even if you stretch your imagination and call what you see in the newspaper photo 'washed out', to make it the (clearly) dark/black seen on the card... you can't then say the black/'darker than the uniform' in the top half of the sock (newspaper) matches the white top half of the sock (card). Similar problems exist ex[plaining away the discrepancies in the shortstop, but I'll defer any further comments at this point.

I seem to recall that the image was more conclusive during the thread's original run (and can't be bothered to go find it), but with this image, its a no go for me. Not saying its not JJ on the card, just that this evidence does not seal anything for me.

https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=38304

vs

https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=38303

Just my irrelevantly late couple of centavos.
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Mike

https://prewarcards.com/2018/09/06/t...tches-his-man/

Interesting article but doesn't have a definitive answer about the mystery runner. Several Heritage Lots reference Jackson on the T202 Tannehill Lord card. A lot of eBay Lots do too. Not that I put any stock into eBay.