IT GOT ME THINKING- Pre-1920 Eight Men Out subset

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Posted By: Merrill

The other night I watched a great movie and it got me thinking. How hard is it to put together a pre 1920 sub set of the Eight Men Out ?

edited title to be more specific

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Posted By: Matt

Almost all have W514 strip cards, including the most affordable of Joe Jackson's issues, but the bottleneck to the collection will be the McMullin - there was one recently on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320322181386

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Posted By: dennis

not hard at all just have to be willing to spend the money.
http://www.blacksoxfan.com/blacksox.php

forgot about that mcmullin that is a tough card to find.

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Posted By: ErikV

Merrill,

Speaking by experience, it's going to be
difficult. I began my sub-set in 1988,
just after Eight Men Out the movie was
released. Finding the more common guys
like Cicotte, Gandil and even Jackson
will cost you some, but are obatinable.
Others like Felsch, Risberg and Williams
are a bit more difficult. The key to the
set is McMullin. It took me ten years
to find the elusive Zeenut McMullin card
which I discovered on auction - by chance!
A handful of McMullin cards have been
auctioned only a few times in the last ten
years and will deffinately cost you. I
understand there are only a handful of
Black Sox collectors have been able to put
this sub-set together.

Best of luck working on this set. It's a
wonderful and historic sub-set that still
carries with it a sense of mystery and aura.

ErikV

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Posted By: Merrill Pearlman

What a great web sight------thanks

Merrill

Maybe I'll just stick to collecting my T206 cards.

240 out of 524 so far

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Extremely difficult, that is the answer.


7 are in W514. Risberg will cost quite a bit, but can be found. Jackson will cost more, and can eventually be found.

McMullin is the difficult one. He's on a 1915 ZeeNut card. If you can find one for sale he'll cost more than all of the other 7 would in W514.

If you're willing to have cards that weren't contemporary with their playing days, then your options expand and your pocketbook survives.

2 are in the white border tobacco card set, T206.

Cicotte's Cracker Jack card is one beautiful card. I think it looks better than Jackson's Cracker Jack. If you're going to mix and match, spend a few dollars for Cicotte's Cracker Jack card.



Probably should get Abe Attel too, he's in some boxing sets, and is affordable.

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Posted By: Merrill Pearlman

Thank you Frank ----- Merrill

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Posted By: Rob

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Posted By: BlackSoxFan

Well thanks for the shout out guys!!! I myself am fascinated by the scandal. Only one set exists that has all eight players (a 1917 Davis Printing set). Unfortunately, there is only one copy of each card. As others mentioned, the w514 set offers a reasonably affordable way to obtain everyone sans McMullin. You can certainly obtain cards of the seven other players without breaking the bank. Jackson is the only one who carries a true premium; however, cards of the other players tend to fall in the "hall of famer" category (with regards to price). I was interviewed for an article that came out in SCD some time ago (http://blog.blacksoxfan.com/hobbycollecting-news/im-in-the-news/) But as you will see the article has been removed. I'll see if I can dig up a copy of it for you. I haven't posted anything to the blog in quite some time, but perhaps this will give me a kick to start writing again.

Let me know if you have any questions!

Regards,

Black Sox Fan

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Posted By: Bob Manning

you ought to include Hal Chase. Not for direct involvement with the Black Sox (lots insinuated; nothing ever proven), but for the entire body of work in the fields of bribery and corruption. Like the Eight Men, he was banned for life by Judge Landis.

His cards are everywhere. There are five T206s (more than anybody else in the set), three T205s, and TEN T202s, counting only his appearances in the center panels. And caramel cards and strip cards.

See http://www.baseball-almanac.com/articles/halchase.shtml, where writer Kyle Lobner does a succinct job of wrapping up Chase's career.

As Lobner notes, Bill James believes Chase to have been as good a glove man as ever played, at any position. Sad story.And if you're going to include Abe Attel

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Posted By: BlackSoxFan

In all of my research, I've seen nothing that sufficiently links Chase to the Scandal. Abe was a key figure in the plot. If you are looking for "fringe" players, you would probably want to look at Joe Gedeon. He bet on the series after talking with Risberg. A total of eleven players who appeared in the 1919 series were banned at some point by Landis. The "Eight Men Out" were banned for the fix; Dick Kerr, Heinie Groh, and Ray Fisher were banned for contract disputes.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Sleepy Burns is in the 1915 Zee-Nuts. He was a bit involved, I think. I have one of those cards, somewhere...

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Posted By: fkw

Isnt it the same Bill Burns in the T206 set with his glove on the wrong hand?

Its a funny card either way

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Posted By: BlackSoxFan

Indeed. T206, T3, 1915 & 1917 Zeenuts and I believe a T5 but i'll have to check on that.

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

TED Z

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Posted By: Matt

Ted - fantastic Joe Jax! I miss mine.

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Posted By: Steve F

How could you Matt?!

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Posted By: Anthony N.

And one that is not who is pictured

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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

That is the best Looking Buck Weaver card (Tango Eggs) that I have ever seen inside the worst looking holder... yuk! Love the card, hate the holder..

Marty

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Posted By: Brian

Here is the real Buck Weaver, but only in armpit condition. I can't compete with the PSA 8 stuff...






And another of the 8 men out...

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Posted By: Brian C.

Front:





Back:



Buck:

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Posted By: Steve F

The Ginger Kid sure was the ladies man!

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Posted By: leon

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Posted By: Bob Manning

B18:

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Posted By: jim sexton

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Posted By: Brian C.

Fred:



Interesting:



Eight men out:

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Posted By: Zinn

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Posted By: James Gallo

The Gambler



The Players


Players and Manager


The Best!


Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

This is a reprint, I think of the 1917 Davis cards, depicting the Black Sox players...




And here are some Sox and associates...

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Posted By: leon

For some reason Buck made a lot of the pre war sets....

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Posted By: Matt

Steve - I had to in order to make room for the signed Gehrig. I figured I'd be much less likely to find another signed Goudey Gehrig then a Joe Jax which come up for sale regularly.