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Old 10-22-2007, 01:20 AM
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Posted By: JimB

I am wondering if there is any concensus on which E94 colors are the toughest. I know that the yellow and purple are often thought to be tougher. Do you think that it varies by player or is it fair to say certain colors are tougher overall? If so, how much tougher?
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Old 10-22-2007, 06:54 AM
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Posted By: Bruce MacPherson

After collecting this set for the past few years, I am tempted to say that Red is the most common color followed by all others fairly equally. Though to me, Gold and Green are the colors I find to be the least common.

Player/color combination scarcity is a tougher call. In theory there should be no difference, but I am sure there are some tougher and easier combinations. Of the 6 or 7 Lajoie's I have seen in the last few years-at least 3 have been Gold (nice card by the way). And there was a Cobb thread a while back and no one could produce one of the colors (purple/blue?). Unfortunately, unlike some of the larger T sets, there may not be enough of these cards remaining to form too many concrete conclusions.

However, when I was studiously collecting the e98 set, there did appear to be card/color combinations that were easy and others that were near impossible to find. For instance, I saw more Red Cobbs than all other colors combined.

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Posted By: Dave F

Not much to compare to but out of the six E94's I've owned four were red, one green, and this blue one that I now one. I really like the blue...but would have to consider buying a yellow if I saw one....the purples seems I've seen all over the place..maybe just cause everyone likes them?

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Posted By: JK

From what Ive read in the past and more recently (I think tbob recently commented on this issue), Ive always beleived golds and purples to be the most difficult. Purples are not actually "all over the place". Its just that Huggins had a nice group in their auction and Ive been posting them quite a bit lately as Ive picked them up. Im trying to build a set.

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Old 10-22-2007, 10:27 AM
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Posted By: leon

I have vacillated back and forth on my thinking about which colors are more scarce. At first I thought it was gold, then I saw some groups and decided it was purple....then saw groups of those and thought it was something else. Of the 11 I own I have more olive and green than the others and some folks will say they are more scarce. Something tells me E94's are fairly evenly distrubuted among the different colors....at least that is what I have personally seen...regards

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I agree with Josh that purples seem like they are around because of the recent Huggins and Scott auction. Generally I feel like I see them quite a bit less frequently. My tendancy is to think that Leon is right, that there is not a huge discrepancy in #s, though maybe some difference. My hunch is that some individual players are very tough in some colors. TBob would probably have the best sense of those.
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Posted By: Brian McQueen

When comparing this set to others, I tend to compare it to the e98 set, the e90-3s, and, surprisingly, the t204 Ramly set the most often.

The reason I say it's a lot like the Ramly set is that both of these sets are sort of "different" in that neither really has any players that are truly "difficult" or scarce. Most of the other sets I've studied have some sort of player distribution qualities that make a couple of them really scarce. I spend a good deal of time researching the tough players in specific sets but with e94s and Ramlys, all the players seem to be about even in terms of difficulty. There will be players that just don't seem to come up as often as others though, perhaps Cy Young??

So I believe that there's really no scarce players in the e94 set, rather more difficult colors instead. This is pretty much the opposite on how I feel about the e98s. I feel that with e98, all four colors are pretty evenly distributed but it's certain players that tend to come around very seldom. On the e94s, I always thought that the dark green and blue were the easiest colors, red and gold were in the middle and violet and olive were the most difficult to find. I agree with a previous post though - there do seem to be a lot of violets that have surfaced lately.

So, if you're going with the base colors - my opinion is that olive and violet are your toughest colors. However, if you're counting anomolies, this is where it gets interesting. This is where the e94 set begins to remind me of the e90-3 set - one of my all-time favorites. Both are sets are known for their obscure background color variations. If you're counting these, which I doubt you are, then I'd go with Grey as the most difficult color on an e94 followed closely by orange. More than likely you're just looking for the base colors so violet and olive would be my picks.

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My opinion is that yellow and purple are a bit tougher than the other colors.

Of course orange is the toughest, but it seems to be in a different class than the others which suggests some kind of anomaly with how those cards were distributed compared to the other colors.

If we conducted a comprehensive study of all our E94s it's hard to say if we would see a clear scarcity difference in colors or if they would start to even out as the number of cards in the study went up.

One thing I've noticed which is different than E98 is that certain players in E94 seem to found more often with different color backgrounds.

With E98 I think that colors are equal and that only certain players can be tougher to find. With E94 the colors are more important to me as a collector, although I do believe that Lobert and Cy Young are harder to find than the others.

Unbelievable card by the way Jim! That's just amazing.

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I still believe gold is the toughest color IN ANY CONDITION but my opinion, based on buying and looking at tons of these cards is that the hardest color to find IN HIGH GRADE is easily the olive green.
I agree with Josh 100% that the rash of violets posted on the boards skews the image of violets being not that tough. They are, I just think the golds are the hadest to find.
Brian, I agree that certain player/color combos are incredibly tough for some reason. I have no clue why. I have to disagree with you though on there not being any players that are tougher to find. Bates is a killer, I know 2 different collectors who have complete sets minus Bates. I know there have been a couple of Loberts surface in auction house lots but Lobert, Magee, Kleinow and Byrne are tougher than, for instance, Leach, Doolan, Grant, Lake and Davis.
Finally, the grey Doolan you own, while a terrific card and one I would love to own, can't be considered one of the E94 colors but rather a one of a kind color variation which resulted from the absence of a color in the printing process. Dont get me wrong, I love that card but it is similar to the T206s which are yellow and black because colors didn't get added in. Another has never been seen in that color. The oranges, on the other hand, have been discovered for almost all (if not all) the players in the set. It might be argued that these were red E94s that got an "oops" at the printer who mixed the colors thinking they were E98 oranges, but SGC, PSA and GAI have all graded the oranges and slabbed them. Also, they appeared from different locations in the U.S. and different time frames, 2 from lionel carters collection and most of the rest from brain daniels' e94 stash on the west coast. The thing is that every one of the orange e94s is exactly the same color orange! Not pumpkin orange on one, light tangerine orange on the next, etc. They are all exactly the same shade.

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Posted By: Brian McQueen

Bob - I'll go along with your comments about the Bates as you've certainly got more experience with this set than I. I did say that there a few cards that show up less often than others so I agree with your assessment. I was pointing out that there's not really a true set scarcity in the e94 set - something along the lines of a e90-3 Payne, e102 Wagner fielding or e103 Tenney. I've seen a couple Bates for sale in the past few months but not enough to make me think that they're commonly found at all.

Concerning the Grey Doolan, is this really a one-time slip up that only occurred on this very card? I was thinking that it fell into the same category as the orange backed e94s or the blue backed e90-3s. Where there was maybe an entire sheet that missed a color pass in the original print run. I figured there's more grey-backs out there that just haven't turned up yet. I've seen several e90-3 blues and I think we had found 12-15 e94 oranges but not enough to constitute entire sets of either. But it makes sense to hypothesize that they all came from the same sheet originally - even if they turned up in different collections later on. I figured the grey e94s sort of fell into that category as well. e94s were originally printed in sheets though and would have received their color passes through printing before being cut correct? So I figure that it's not probable that the grey variation could have existed originally on only one card. Would it not have been a part of a sheet at one time of cards that missed the same color layer?

But I did say that the grey color is an "anomaly" and does not count as one of the base colors in the set. Like I was saying, I feel the violets or perhaps the olives would count as the most difficult ACTUAL colors to try to find. Just my opinion though and others will certainly have different ideas/experiences.

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