another Honus Wagner find

Archive · #1 10-13-2007, 06:17 AM

Posted By: Shawn Chambers

Hey guys,

Just saw a video on MSN about another Wagner that "fell out of a kitchen ceiling" or something...

Have any of you guys seen this or know of this find. I don't have the link, but it is in the video section now on msn.com homepage.

They keep insisting it's worth "millions", but it looks like creases o' plenty to me...

Shawn

Archive · #2 10-13-2007, 06:19 AM

Posted By: Anonymous

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=78887

Archive · #3 10-13-2007, 06:28 AM

Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

He paid an awful lot of money for a card and he's not even sure its real? Did I read that right?

I suppose if he gave me $10k I could authenticate it myself, the heck with PSA or SGC.

martyOgelvie
nyyankeecards.com

Archive · #4 10-13-2007, 06:28 AM

Posted By: Ben

I watched the video and got a pretty good look at it. Too bad it aint the real deal.

Archive · #5 10-13-2007, 06:29 AM

Posted By: Shawn Chambers

The back looked suspect to me in the video...the ink seemed too dark and thick, but what do I know.

Archive · #6 10-13-2007, 06:33 AM

Posted By: Dave

Not real, it has a Piedmont 350-460 back.

Archive · #7 10-13-2007, 06:36 AM

Posted By: Matt

ROFL

Archive · #8 10-13-2007, 06:41 AM

Posted By: Jeff Kennedy

Dave,

Exactly. The series printing on the back totally gives it away. How could someone invest so much money on something that they know so little about?

Archive · #9 10-13-2007, 06:43 AM

Posted By: Steve Murray

Poor deluded soul. Should feel sorry for him but he supposedly is a collector and should know better.

Archive · #10 10-13-2007, 06:46 AM

Posted By: T206Collector

Reporter: So, how come the Keeler and Cobb cards are graded by GAI and PSA but the Wagner is not graded by anybody?

Reporter: How much does it cost to have a card graded by GAI or PSA?

Reporter: Why then would you need to pay $10,000 to have the Wagner authenticated?

I'm more angry with the reporter than the interviewee. There are plenty of idiots out there willing to be interviewed. How about a reporter that actually does a little research?

Archive · #11 10-13-2007, 07:44 AM

Posted By: john/z28jd

If its a true story then i feel bad for the guy but he says theyve done research theyre still doing research to find out if its real? They havent found this site yet? or the t206 museum site? or asked someone who knows vintage cards yet? you have at least 100 people who come to this site who dont even have to see the card in person to tell him its not real....and who has 60k just lying around but is worried about paying their house off? what did he do,buy a million dollar house on a middle class salary with hopes that a Honus Wagner card would just fall out of the ceiling to help him pay for it?

Archive · #12 10-13-2007, 07:48 AM

Posted By: JK

"what did he do,buy a million dollar house on a middle class salary with hopes that a Honus Wagner card would just fall out of the ceiling to help him pay for it?"

Doesnt everybody?

Archive · #13 10-13-2007, 07:50 AM

Posted By: Sean

Lots of nice cards falling out of ceilings these past few months...I know what I'm doing this weekend (my house was built in 1909, I think I have a chance).

Sean bh

Archive · #14 10-13-2007, 07:52 AM

Posted By: Matt

Its' really nuts. BTW - do we have any follow up on the 1914 CJ Joe Jackson that fell out of the ceiling? I know it sold to someone out west. Do we know if it authenticated?

Archive · #15 10-13-2007, 07:54 AM

Posted By: boxingcardman

A fool and his money are lucky to get together in the first place. But that reporter, what a moron! After those two guys in Ohio were all over the national news with their fake...

Archive · #16 10-13-2007, 07:59 AM

Posted By: john/z28jd

As much as i was joking,I know someone personally who had a bunch of Mickey Mantle cards from when they were a kid including at least 3 of his rookies he says,and hes a very honest person so i trust him (after i quizzed him about it) and when he went to college he put those cards in a box along with some other things and put it under a floorboard he took up in his room. His parents sold the house in the meantime and he never got the cards,but the cards werent worth anything back then so besides sentimental reasons,there was no reason to tear up someones floor to get his cards. So unless theyve been found already,theres someone in upper NJ who has a small fortune in Mickey Mantle cards right under their feet and doesnt know it

Archive · #17 10-13-2007, 08:01 AM

Posted By: Matt

where in upper NJ? My brother lives there...

Archive · #18 10-13-2007, 08:13 AM

Posted By: john/z28jd

Yea, upper NJ is pretty big but i dont want to just give away the location.Its in Hudson County,thats as much info as ill give

Actually ive been trying to convince him to go to the house and offer to split the cards(or what they would sell for) with the owner,but he thinks if he tells them why hes there they might just keep the cards for themselves,which i said,it cant hurt to try.The worst he could do is leave with what he started with

Archive · #19 10-13-2007, 08:17 AM

Posted By: Steve Murray

to contact the current owner and tell them that as a kid you hid some valuable baseball cards in the house. Offer to show them where and to split the proceeds of sale. If they decline let them tear their house up looking for them.

Archive · #20 10-13-2007, 08:20 AM

Posted By: Sean

I would just hide outside in the bushes and wait for them to leave and run in after and get the prize.

But then again I sit here typing from the Stillwater prison, maybe not the best to ask.

Archive · #21 10-13-2007, 08:26 AM

Posted By: Steve Murray

After my post I started to think and have another theory.

Question? Don't the cards still belong to the original owner?

Some may say that they have been abandoned. But don't you have to have someone find them first before the original owner can be deemed to have abandoned them. If they are not abandoned then the current owners have no legal claim and the original owner should be able to reclaim them.

The manner of recovery may be in Replevin?

Interesting thought that I'd just throw out for all you other lawyers to pick over.

Archive · #22 10-13-2007, 08:35 AM

Posted By: Max Weder

Steve

I prefer trover as my obscure tort recovery mechanism.

Archive · #23 10-13-2007, 08:37 AM

Posted By: john/z28jd

I was wondering that too Steve but my thinking was if you buy a house you buy its entire contents that are left once the previous owner moves out. The fact that he could help them out financially might be enough motivation for them to let him look but if someone came to my house claiming they have something valuable from when they were a kid and they want to tear up some floorboards,i dont know if id be too anxious to just let them in and tear away. Id take their number maybe and do it after they leave

Archive · #24 10-13-2007, 08:39 AM

Posted By: Matt

Legally - once you buy a house and title is transfered - you own everything in the house.

Archive · #25 10-13-2007, 08:45 AM

Posted By: Steve Murray

I'm not sure about that. I seem to recall a case here in Illinois where the new owner found a shopping bag full of cash (true)left there by the previous owner and laid claim to it. It was determined, I think, that the cash had been "mislaid" and not "abandoned" so the prior owner recovered the cash.

Now here we get into the issue of what has been "lost" and found; "abandoned" and found; "mislaid"; and "abandoned" but not found. Not my area of expertise.

Max:

For "trover" to apply the cards would have to first be deemed to have been "lost" and then found and then withheld from the true owner.

I still go with Replevin.

Archive · #26 10-13-2007, 09:16 AM

Posted By: Ken W.

I would bet that this guy is merely one of the many attention seekers in our society. Anything to get on TV. As far as the reporter, same reason!

Archive · #27 10-13-2007, 09:21 AM

Posted By: Matt

Steve - maybe it's different by state. When I bought my house there was such an issue so I can tell you that in OH when you buy a house, it's yours.

Archive · #28 10-13-2007, 09:22 AM

Posted By: barrysloate

Why don't Klings or Abbaticchios ever fall out of a ceiling? Why is it that only Honus Wagners are buried in ceilings or inside tires? Were these cards originally collector by squirrels?

Archive · #29 10-13-2007, 09:36 AM

Posted By: Max Weder

Matt

When you buy a house, it very much depends on the contract as to whether you acquire anything other than the house and the fixtures. Personal property such as Honus Wagner cards are not fixtures.

It will depend very much on the facts of each case, including the wording of the contract and the actions of the parties, and whether there is any specific legislation in the particular jurisdiction which would modify the common law treatment.

Max

Archive · #30 10-13-2007, 10:27 AM

Posted By: Doug

Is it me, or did the narrator say "only 18 creases."?

My favorite part is when they show the PSA 8 Wagner, fade to this one, and the owner says "Looks almost the same, doesn't it?" Like his would pull in a million or two.

Doug

Archive · #31 10-13-2007, 10:31 AM

Posted By: howard

I suspect that the buyer and seller of this card are partners and plan to split whatever the card resells for.

John, I live in Hudson County. How about some more clues before I tear my home up? : )

Archive · #32 10-13-2007, 10:40 AM

Posted By: joe

The auction is about 45 miles from where I live. And with the card not authenticated I won't be going to the auction. Holt, Michigan is close to Mason where there are lots of antique stores and antique Marts. I don't think the card will sell anyway.

Joe

Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!

Archive · #33 10-13-2007, 01:02 PM

Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

Why don't Klings or Abbaticchios ever fall out of a ceiling? Why is it that only Honus Wagners are buried in ceilings or inside tires? Were these cards originally collector by squirrels?

LOL

martyOgelvie
nyyankeecards.com

Archive · #34 10-13-2007, 01:19 PM

Posted By: Jim VB

"Why don't Klings or Abbaticchios ever fall out of a ceiling? Why is it that only Honus Wagners are buried in ceilings or inside tires? Were these cards originally collector by squirrels?"

I don't know Barry. Seems like the only "old" cards I ever find are Julio Gotay, or Cesar Geronimo, or Ty Cline (not Ty Cobb).

I do have an uncut sheet somewhere that has the famed Kevin Maas rookie card on it. Maybe I should put that up in the attic?

Archive · #35 10-13-2007, 05:14 PM

Posted By: Rick McQuillan

I think we have finally stumbled onto the reason why there are so few Wagners around. They didn't come in tobacco or cigarette packs, but they were inserted as premiums in bags of attic insulation. Did Piedmont 350 actually refer to the "R" value of the insulation?

Gotta run. I'm grabbing a flashlight and a ladder and heading for my attic. When I'm done with mine I'll head for my in-laws house.

Rick

Archive · #36 10-13-2007, 06:02 PM

Posted By: David Smith

Rick,

Forget insulation, they might have just been inserts with the HOUSE! The builder would build the house and insert the card somewhere and the owners would them have to try and find it, if they were so inclined. Most people back then didn't care so the cards just stayed where they were until later owners were doing renovations on the, now, old house.

To all,

All of this talk about cards falling out of walls and ceilings and being found in attics makes me want to go back to where my Grand-Mother was born and raised. She was born in 1920 on a small farm in Kentucky. Her family was poor and this place was in the sticks, as they say. I went there when I was about 10 or 11 years old.

At the time that I went there (in the late 1970's) the place was STILL out in the sticks and the house was abandoned. My Grand-Mother explained that when she was young, her family didn't have money for insulation so they used newspapers. Sure enough, inside the house, glued to the walls, were layers of newspapers.

When I went there, my Grand-Mother found a sports page and tore a story off for me. It had a headline and story about Babe Ruth hitting a Home Run and was dated in the late 1920's. I don't remember the exact details but it seems the Yankees were playing the A's that game. I don't have that piede of paper now because it eventually crumbled and turned to dust.

Anyway, I have sometimes wondered what else was glued to those walls or tucked inside of them? I didn't know it at the time but she said there was also a small attic in the house. Another member of our family went to the house at a later date and said there was still some stuff up in the attic when he cilmbed up there to look around. He said there wasn't anything valuable but, then again, he didn't collect cards or sports memorabilia and wasn't really into antiques.

David

Archive · #37 10-13-2007, 07:44 PM

Posted By: Eric B

Being auctioned off this Sunday. So when does he spend the $10K to get it authenticated?

A-OK Auctioneers
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Lansing, MI 48910
(517) 882-5914

Archive · #38 10-13-2007, 09:53 PM

Posted By: john/z28jd

Howard,not sure exactly where the house is,i can tell you its a 2 story house and its upstairs and its not in Kearny because Id remember that but its close to there.If your house wasnt built before 1970 and/or doesnt have hardwood floors upstairs then put the crowbar down

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