Are these OJ's real?

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Posted By: Jim Clarke

I asked the seller if these were real? His reply was "not sure" What do you guys think?

http://search.stores.ebay.com/All-Cs-Collectibles_old-judge_W0QQfciZQ2d1QQfclZ3QQfsnZAllQ20CQ27sQ20Colle ctiblesQQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsaselZ99975348QQsofpZ0>

Ebay has already shut down one of his listings on the Radbourne.

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Posted By: Trevor Hocking

Hey Jim,

There is another thread related to these on the front page. I think they are not original. I think they are cut up copies of the LOC uncut sheet that was reissued as a photo and many other ways after that. The thing to look at is this, if they where real they would have been sepia color not black and white (and OJ's never came black and white they still had a little sepia tone to them) I am sure I can be wrong here, but look at his past auctions. All of the other scans are nice and clear so the whole "it was my scanner" thing would not fly with me. This is just my opinion. I am not bidding on them but good luck to who is. I hope they are real!

Trevor

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Posted By: Bob

I don't think they are real either but I put some small bids on them to try and win one, just to see. I am glad I was outbid. They look now like they are going for close to what real OJs would go for.

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Posted By: Eric

Well it looks like 1 buyer is going to be very disappointed then. Buyer "alleycatwino" has bid on most of them.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

I agree with Trevor. Since when has anyone seen a black and white OJ? Those cards look like they came out of a copy machine.

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Posted By: Jim Clarke

I'm staying away as well. All the seller wants to tell me is look at his feedback (which is on comic books)

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Posted By: joe

Pretty sure, not real. But, not sure what you guys are talking about with black and white. Here are 2 Old Judge cards,, one I would call black and white.

Joe



Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!

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Posted By: Fred C

The seller offered a refund on the cards if they were found to be reprints. Bottom line is that if the sale price on them was low then the risk may have been worth it. Cripes, those cards didn't exactly sell on the low end of the spectrum. If they're reprints then the seller may be refunding a few thousand dollars.

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

I stated in the other thread "OJ Newbie Question" Thread. The seller told me they were photo paper thin. If real they are skinned.

Lee

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Posted By: Rob G.

These look like a match to me. http://cgi.ebay.com/1887-Old-Judge-N172-Photo-CGC-Authenticated_W0QQitemZ130129993239QQihZ003QQcateg oryZ50129QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Posted By: Trevor Hocking

Yep those are what I was trying to say these are. The ones on ebay are cut versions of these known sheets.

Trevor

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Posted By: Richard L.

The seller got decent $$ for today's ended OJ's, he just listed another today, claiming to be original as well. You guys that missed out now have another chance.

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Posted By: Jay

I'm a little confused. First, who is CGC? Is that a sister company of SGC; I've never heard of them. What are they authenticating--that the photograph is period or that it came form these archives and was made from original photographs? Finally, it is really interesting to see an image of "Joe" McCarthy from his playing days. I've never seen an Old Judge this color and my guess is that after seeing these I still will not have seen an Old Judge that is this color.

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Posted By: Jim Clarke

I sent him a link to view the reading and this was his response to me.

ANYMORE EMAILS WILL BE FORWARDED TO SAFE HARBOR, GET A LIFE OUTSIDE OF CARDS AND YOUR MOM'S BASEMENT, ALLCSINC

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From: "jim clarke" <jcclarkee@hotmail.com>

Yes, I'll stay away and let the conmunity know about what you are doing. Here is a start. Hope you enjoy the reading..

http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1183307710/last-1183348916/Are+these++OJ%27s++real>-



Here is his current auction- Now they are skinned and he is using same photos as his last auctions that sold.

http://cgi.ebay.com/LOT-OF-8-ORIGINAL-1887-90-OLD-JUDGE-BASEBALL-CARDS-NR_W0QQitemZ280132148523QQihZ018QQcategoryZ86839QQ cmdZViewItem

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Posted By: Bill Todd

All I can say is that I hope 55ducks got a little education out of the deal. These are the same names that were up last week. (If our suspicions are correct, then I can't be sure these are the same pieces of paper.) The only one not back for an encore is the one bought by alleycatwino. If the guy isn't laundering money then he's going to be mighty disillusioned when his eyes get opened.

Bill

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Posted By: David Smith

Mr. Clarke,

You should E mail the seller back and tell him to go ahead and report you to safe Harbor. Then inform him YOU have already reported him for misrepresented and possibly fraudulent listings. Let's see how he likes having THAT light shined on him.

David