major scammer- I have a live one

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Posted By: leon

I got a 2nd chance offer this evening on a card that a friend has in his possession already. Here is the guys information: Is there anything we can do? This is a 100% scam, I am postive. The board member friend and I spoke on the phone a little while ago and he has the card in hand.



Ok,

The total amount that needs to be paid,including delivery charges will be $2327.Here are my bank details for the payment :

BANK NAME: FIRST COMMUNITY CREDIT UNION
BANK ADDRESS: 10950 OLIVE STREET RD., CREVE COEUR, MO, 63141, USA
BANK ROUTING NUMBER: 281****
ACCOUNT NAME: TOM D. BRASHER
ACCOUNT NUMBER: 792****

As soon as this is done and confirmed by my bank i will proceed with the delivery to the adress indicated in your last email.

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Posted By: Jim Manos

I hope you get the guy.

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Posted By: Tony Andrea

Hi Leon,
I have an Ebay contact from the SafeHarbor division that can be emailed direct instead of going through all those confusing steps on Ebay.
Should get much quicker response through her.
Her name is Dayna Saunders and can be reached at dsaunders@ebay.com

Tony Andrea

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Posted By: Scott T

"You wants we should make dis guy dead, boss?"


(Maybe you could get a physical address from him and we could sign him up for the complete Civil War chess set from the Franklin Mint...COD, of course.)

Scott

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Posted By: Matt E.

Went to anywho.com and checked for a Tom Brasher and No listings were found.

"Searched on tom brasher in creve coeur, MO
could not find any listings to display"

However there is a Credit Union .....of course.
Did get the banks phone number

First Community Credit Union
10950 Olive Street
Saint Louis, MO 63141
(314) 432-1029

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Posted By: jay behrens

Can I attack him?

Jay

Growing old is not optional, growing up is.

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Posted By: leon

I would love to nail this guy and am hoping that there is some way to do it. I know we have a multitude of lawyers, at least one judge, and was hoping for some law enforcement on the board. I am not sure ebay safe harbor would go after this criminal. His email is sinatra2383@gmail.com

Since this is internet related is it Federal? Would I contact someone at a Federal agency? Maybe the bank to let them know what is going on? I am going to tell the guy it will have to be tomorrow.....keep thinking folks...

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Posted By: Kyle

I'd call the bank to verify the account exists and who it is registered to. If they get suspecious, let them know whats going on. I live 20 mins away from there and would help if there's anyway possible, but I'm heading out to New York for the weekend. Good luck, Leon!

-Kyle-

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Posted By: leon

That's what I figured I would do. I will let them know what's up and see if they can help, and maybe get some law enforcement involved too. One by one we could take these bast**** out. If anyone else has any other ideas don't be shy......regards

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Posted By: Kyle

In case you want more specifics on the bank, and bank chain:

http://www.firstcommunity.com/


-Kyle-

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Posted By: JudgeDred2

Fake ebay messages or emails related to ebay that are probable fakes can be forwarded to SPOOF@EBAY.COM

I'm not sure what they do with it but supposedly they investigate the fake emails. I'm guessing that in most cases nothing gets done.

I'm assuming your second chance offer was an ebay offer.

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Posted By: anthony

www.ic3.gov

and...

www.fraud.org

i've contacted the first one on a couple of different occassions, mostly its to log in information but you got this guys complete info...sounds like attempt internet fraud which is considered the same if completed...at least by l.a. county standards

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Posted By: Jim F

Chances are he doesn't even live in that part of the country. That is the same trick our old friend crazycanuck turned to when the heat was on. Lived on one coast, gave bank account details on the other coast, exactly like this guy is trying to do. Gotta love internet banking. Also gave a west coast address which was a po box that was automatically forwarded to the east coast. Watch out for guys like this, lucky you knew that the card was in someone's possesion or who knows what would happen. Jim.

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Posted By: Matt E.

If you can ....get a couple more Emails from him to show intent to defraud. (married to a lawyer).

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Posted By: Jimmy Z

I got TWO second chance offers on two different cards from different sellers the other night. Within 10 minutes of each other. While my bids were both solid $3000+ bids on both cards, I was not even the third underbidder on either. Looked like a legit email, but the bottom said to contact the seller via email (which ebay would obviously never do since then they couldn't take their cut).

I emailed to get the terms from the "seller" but never heard back. I can only assume it's the same guy. If you want copies of my emails, let me know.

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Posted By: leon

I have several emails from this guy and will call the bank that he is trying to use, today. I will put some effort into it but not a whole lot. These people really do need to be put away. I am sure there are a lot of scammers trying this 2nd chance deal. This is the first one that I have answered.....

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

I found two listings for a Tom D. Brasher in St Peters, MO....one which is current as of Oct of 2005.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Burn this guy at the stake. I got suckered by one of these guys on a second chance offer for a comic book. It enrages me every time I think about it. What makes it so pathetic is I thought that I was safely dealing with/through Ebay the whole time. No recourse available. I guess I was the sucker born that day. Embarrassing.

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Posted By: Brian C Daniels

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=jccards5225&items=25&page=2&frompage=-1&iid=-1&de=off>


pcj212 ( 993 ) - seller of account he won items under this handle below!

jccards5225 (50 ) ( account is in his mothers name in the same house because this night crawler lives with his mother)

compare the feedback of both for obvious shill bidding to protect his own crap~

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Posted By: V117Collector

I just got this in my email, a second chance offer about Honey Boy Purity Ice Cream PSA 3 VG'', Item number: 8825820969
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dave-Bancroft-1927-Honey-Boy-Purity-Ice-Cream-PSA-3-VG_W0QQitemZ8825820969QQihZ005QQcategoryZ31718QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The real Seller of this item: bud-obermeyer


Here's the mail I got:

Message from eBay Member esalesco-172
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================================================== ================================================== ========

Hello v117collector,

I am writing you regarding the item titled ''Dave Bancroft 1927 Honey Boy Purity Ice Cream PSA 3 VG'' , Item number: 8825820969. The winner bid was rejected by eBay and i want to know if your offer of US $560.00 is still up. Please let me know ASAP if you are still interested.

Thanks and have a good day,

hm4ebay@esalesco.net

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Posted By: Jim F

New id registered in the Philippines. Nice

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Posted By: leon

I didn't get a chance to do the investigative work and calling of authorities I wanted to Friday. Hopefully alerting more folks to these scammners will help .....

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Posted By: DR

Leon, if you feel this post is off topic, please delete my posting. However, I think the community should be made aware of a blatent shill bidder selling pre-WWII cards. pcj212 is shill bidding vintage trading cards.

hamster866 has only bid on, won and received feedback from pcj212. It is frustrating eBay turns a blind eye to this type of activity. To bad eBay does not allow a blocked seller list. That would be a great new feature!

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Posted By: anthony

can we just do a "in person" deal...offer to meet him at his credit union since you are gonna be in the area on business anyways...hmmm, tempting

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Posted By: mr. moses

it appears this is the first you've heard of this. I have gotten these emails for 1 1/2- 2 years on and off. Sometimes I was like the tenth underbidder. There is a link if I can find it to the internet fraud bureau. After you file a notice about the person their disclaimer says they will never contact you about it as they can't by law or sumptin and only take action if blah blah blah... I had a serious problem and never heard anything after reporting someone (as they said I wouldn't) and nothing was ever done as the seller continued to list for more than a year. That when I know of 6/7 people I directed there to report the same person. It's the reason eBay "CLAIMS" they started the over 200.00 hidden bidding list.....

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Posted By: john/z28jd

My dad got a second chance offer on an antique car he already had possesion of.He then traded that car a few months later for another car and about a week later the current car he owns was listed on ebay by someone other than the person he bought it from....so basically,ebay has alot of problems

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Posted By: Anonymous

I think this whole "second chance" offer thing is a big mess. My inbox is filled weekly with these, many of which i never even bid on, and all of them are illegitimate. I dont know why ebay continues this as i would think the cons far outway the pros in this instance. I dont think the scammers could have thought of a better idea themselves for ebay to institute.

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Posted By: Joann

Henry - I was thinking the exact same thing. This is what I thought the anonymous bidder thing was supposed to prevent. In fact, that's the exact reason cited by ebay for implementing it.

I wonder why it's not working and how the scammers are getting contact info on underbidders.

Maybe Dylan has hit on it. If he's getting second chance offers on items he hadn't even bid on, maybe they don't see the underbidders. Could they just be collecting contact info on people that bid on vintage cards in general and then sending second chance offers on high-dollar items to various people on their lists? Wow.

Joann

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Posted By: Cobby33

I get this crap all the time and just delete them without even opening them.

If they're legit, they will appear in your eBay messages or somewhere on your eBay summary page. It's that easy.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Leon -- the crime is wire fraud, a federal offense. Problem is, the feds will have no interest unless the amount of money scammed is at least 6 figures imo.

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Posted By: martindl

I think some of you might have missed that the original post was from June of last year.

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Posted By: bill latzko

I thoought with the new ebay way of hiding the underbidders once the auctions seem to surpass $200.00 one can't tell who they are.. I know I'm missing the obvious so could someone "fill me in"?? By the way I was scammed for $90,000 3 yrs ago and a fellow collector for $80,000 and NEITHER ebay not the police gave two ****s , to put it bluntly. And I'm glad to share details with sscammers name, modus operandi etc if anyone wants to know. bill

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Posted By: sean

hi bill,

what happened? I got scammed recently and am trying to figure out what to do.
thanks
sean

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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

Typically, if you get a 2nd chance offer on an item you never bid on the scam it to try and get your user id and password.

There is typically a link in the email to take you to the so called 2nd chance offer but its really a spoof site. It looks just like ebay but if you look at the url you will notice its NOT. If you attempt to login to this (ebay spoof) site the scammer has just collected your user/password. You will usually get a invalid user/password the first attempt! **This is your first clue that something is WRONG!. If you have clicked on an ebay link in an email and can't login first time, immediately go to www.ebay.com and change your password before someone else does!

martyOgelvie
nyyankeecards.com

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Posted By: Jimmy Piccuito

These scams are so common on eBay, but what is interesting is the amount of info in the email (name, back account and bank name) - at one time I was getting a scam each time I won. I think a few years go they were real bad and eBay did alert members. They told me to always use the spoof email to let them know, I did keep sending them and for the past year the amount of scam emails I get is way down. I hope the bank can track this guy, I do not send second chance offers or respond to them - eBay should do away with this option

Take care

Jimmy