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Old 05-06-2004, 01:03 PM
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Posted By: James Walker, Jr.

Does anyone know who is actually card 5 of the E126 set???

Based on the card it is E. T. Cox (see image below).



However, the only the E. Cox that played for the White Sox is Ernest Thompson Cox (E. T.). Now for the kicker, Ernest pitched in only one game for the White Sox in 1922 which was also his whole MLB career.

E.T. Cox career link - http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/coxer01.shtml


Now, there were two other Cox's that played for the White Sox around 1927.

There was a Les Cox who played only in 1926 (Pitched in 2 Games) and George Cox who played only in 1928 (Pitched in 26 Games).

Les Cox career link - http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/coxle01.shtml

George Cox career link - http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/coxge01.shtml


And finally, based on the Beckett web site, card 5 is listed as Dick Cox. Now he never played for the White Sox. For his career, he played for Brookyln (1925-1926, 228 Games in the Outfield).


So who is actually on card #5? Whould they make a card of a player who has been out of MLB for almost 5 years and only pitched in one game???


Any thoughts?

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Old 05-06-2004, 02:20 PM
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Posted By: jay behrens

I have an Elmer "Dick" Cox in my player card database. He played in the PCL and also appeared in the e120 set. Thanks to this thread though, I have found out that I somehow skipped over the e126 set as the cards are not in my database.

If you are interested in the selling the E T Cox card, I'd be very interested.

I did a check on all the players in the set. Every player except 3 were in the majors between 1922-7. Cox only played in 1922, Charlie Grimm didn't appear until 1932 and Jamieson played from 1916-22.

You have a 10 year gap between players playing in the Bigs. Unless there is some sort of advertizing that says this et was issued in 1927, I don't see how that is possible, especially with Charlie Grimm in the set. The earliest it could have been issued was 1932, but then that doesn't explain what 2 players who had not appeared in the majors for 10 years are doing in the set.

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Posted By: jay behrens

bump, because I added some new info that many might find interesting.

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Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)

and he identifies this card by name in the narrative as being E.T. Cox, who only pitched in one game.

Seems it is more likely Les, for although he only pitched in 2 games, at least they were in 1926--closer to the date of issue. Geroge is unlikely if he did not pitch until 1928.

As for the issue date, I thought Lew wrote that it can be traced to 1927 because Cobb and Speaker are shown for the new teams they just just joined that year.

E126 used a lot of old photos, as did other sets from that period of mid to late 20s. I remember seeing a card from one of those sets claiming to be Bill Terry when it clearly was Zeb Terry, with the same photo taken from the E135 Collins-McCarthy set-- a set issued several years before Bill Terry broke into big league ball.

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Posted By: jay behrens

Charlie Grimm card is the one that causes the dating problem since he never appeared in teh majors until 1932. How could he possibley have a card issued 5 years before? And there are no other Grimm's in MLB history.

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Old 05-06-2004, 04:32 PM
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Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)

My baseball encyclopedia shows that Charlie Grimm began playing in 1916, and played for 20 seasons, the last in 1936.

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Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)

but if it identifies him as a manager, then yes, there is a dating problem, since he did not manage prior to 1932.

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Posted By: petecld

How old does the man in the image look? I think the picture is most likely E. T. Cox.

If:
- Dick Cox never played for the White Sox - we can cross him off the list.
- George Cox didn't play until 1928 - we can cross him off the list as well.


Probably not Les Cox because he was born in 1905 making him 21 yrs. old in 1926, his rookie/only season. The man in the picture looks older than 21 years old to me.

Ernie Cox was born in 1894 making him 28 yrs. old in 1922, his rookie/only season. The man in the picture looks 28 years old to me.


Just my 2 cents.

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Posted By: jay behrens

my bad. Should have known that Grimm had a playing career and not just a career as a manager. baseball-reference.com shows his manager career first, so I didn't think to look for a player record.

Without seeing what players are listed with a given a team, it would seem the set comes from 1922 since every player in the set played and/or managed in 1922. Cox and Jamieson didn't play after that.

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Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)

Charlie Jamieson may have stopped pitching in 1922, but his career as an outfielder lasted another 10 years after that.

I will look in Lew's book (or anyone else can, as I'm sure everyone has a copy) to see the list of team affiliations for each player in the set. Again, though, I think he wrote that Cobb and Speaker were captioned with their 1927 teams, with whom they had not played prior.

As for the age of the player depicted, I defer. I'm so bad at guessing ages that you could tell me the guy was 18 or 48 and I'd go along with it.

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