How Much Are The Two White Lines Worth?

[frankbmd]

In other words how much more would this card be worth if the white lines in the green background were not there? I'm not looking for bids or offers, just opinions. Not For Sale

[Cliff Bowman]

To make me sound less like a jerk I will need to edit my original answer because I initially didn't realize that Mr. Burkett owns the card. If this card was to somehow fall into the wrong hands within six months it will be on BlowOut after a card doctor gets ahold of it and recolors it, PSA bumps up the grade considerably, and PWCC puts it up for auction. Sorry Frank.

[Rhotchkiss]

"how much more would this card be worth if the white lines in the green background were not there?" A lot!!

Its a great looking card. I think it grades a 4-5 without the marks, and great eye appeal.

An SGC 4 sold in LOTG on 4/4/21 for $25,830 (note that an SGC 4 was a $10k card a year ago and a $17k card in January)
An SGC 5 sold in Heritage on 7/24/21 for $27,600 - it is nicer than yours without the lines.

So lets say that an SGC 4 - SGC 5 ranges from $18k - $28k.

Recent SGC 2 sales average to about $6700 ($5,700 and $7,700, both PWCC).

So, to answer your question, based on these comps, I think you card is worth about $6,500 (slight downward adjustment for PWCC comps), but it would be worth about $22k without them. So, in my opinion, the white lines are worth $16k+/-

Can you tell I have no big plans this Saturday night?!?!

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

In six months that card will be on BlowOut after a card doctor gets ahold of it and recolors it, PSA bumps up the grade considerably, and PWCC puts it up for auction. ETA, that’s if Mr Burkett doesn’t own it.

+1

[Casey2296]

Damn Frank, when I first read the title I thought you were going to regale us with your adventures of running drugs & guns up the coast of California in the 1980's.

[egri]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Damn Frank, when I first read the title I thought you were going to regale us with your adventures of running drugs & guns up the coast of California in the 1980's.

I certainly was not expecting the white lines to be on a baseball card!

[Michael B]

Where is Grandmaster Flash when you need him?

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...sh+white+lines

Or Duran Duran Duran if you prefer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMgs0sz5LZU

[brianp-beme]

Ideally, to satisfy the centering freaks, this Cobb would have equivalent lines coming in from the right border.

Brian

[Snowman]

The market today is definitely not where it was back in April. I think this card would have a ceiling of a 4 without the white marks. A realistic value on it today in a 4 holder is probably about 20k and as it currently sits, I think it would outsell most 2s, probably because as others have pointed out, this card screams "potential" to all the Van Goghs out there in the hobby. They would probably all compete pretty heavily for a chance to make this their next masterpiece. I think it sells closer to 8-9k today. So the white lines are "worth" about 12k per my estimate.

[mrreality68]

The card is beautiful and luckily those lines are off to the side. IT is amazing how much those lines or any imperfections can so dramatically affect the value of the card.
But it is a great card for any T206 collection

[frankbmd]

Apart from the white lines, with the current expressed centering obsession on this forum, I'm surprised that only one member suggests that this card is worth more than the average 2 and only if a Van Gogh is the buyer.

Buy the flip still rules I guess.

A 2 is a 2 is a 2 and a 4 is a 4 is a 4.

Right???

[ALBB]

and the furious five

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Michael B

Where is Grandmaster Flash when you need him?

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...sh+white+lines

Or Duran Duran Duran if you prefer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMgs0sz5LZU

Never knew Duran Duran covered that song. Odd/unexpected choice for them, but it works pretty well!

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Can you tell I have no big plans this Saturday night?!?!

Playing with cards on a Saturday night sounds pretty good to me. We went out for an early dinner yesterday after a loooonggg day doing a garage sale (I paid for dinner with a giant stack of one-dollar bills) then came home and I did the same. A little herb thrown in for good measure...

[rats60]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Apart from the white lines, with the current expressed centering obsession on this forum, I'm surprised that only one member suggests that this card is worth more than the average 2 and only if a Van Gogh is the buyer.

Buy the flip still rules I guess.

A 2 is a 2 is a 2 and a 4 is a 4 is a 4.

Right???

A card is only worth more than the grade if they own it. Then it has superior eye appeal and is worth 2 grades more than is on the label

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rats60

A card is only worth more than the grade if they own it. Then it has superior eye appeal and is worth 2 grades more than is on the label

five plus arrows after the grade
undergraded
regrade?
looks much nicer
great eye appeal

[frankbmd]

I agree that a card is better than the grade if you own it.

However we have more than several members here who say they pay a premium for centered cards and in my experience they have.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

I agree that a card is better than the grade if you own it.

However we have more than several members here who say they pay a premium for centered cards and in my experience they have.

Agreed. I always pay more for eye appeal. Often quite a bit more. Especially on higher-end cards.

In the last PWCC premier auction, there were two 1952 Topps Mickey Mantles that sold. One was a 1.5, the other was a 3.5. The 1.5 sold for more than the 3.5 entirely because of eye appeal despite the fact that it had a giant crease across Mantle's face.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Agreed. I always pay more for eye appeal. Often quite a bit more. Especially on higher-end cards.

In the last PWCC premier auction, there were two 1952 Topps Mickey Mantles that sold. One was a 1.5, the other was a 3.5. The 1.5 sold for more than the 3.5 entirely because of eye appeal despite the fact that it had a giant crease across Mantle's face.

Agreed Eye Appeal and Centering are big factors and also make it easier to flip if necessary with max dollar potential over other cards graded the same

[rats60]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Agreed Eye Appeal and Centering are big factors and also make it easier to flip if necessary with max dollar potential over other cards graded the same

People keep saying this but it is just not true. There is a card up for auction right now with two similar print marks like this Cobb. However instead of 2 it is a 7. The grader didn't feel those lines devalued the card at all. It is currently above recent comps. There are at least 2 people bidding on this card that don't care about eye appeal, all they care about is the number on the holder. I see this all of the time. There are lots of buyers that only care about the number.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by rats60

People keep saying this but it is just not true. There is a card up for auction right now with two similar print marks like this Cobb. However instead of 2 it is a 7. The grader didn't feel those lines devalued the card at all. It is currently above recent comps. There are at least 2 people bidding on this card that don't care about eye appeal, all they care about is the number on the holder. I see this all of the time. There are lots of buyers that only care about the number.

I might be interested in talking to the underbidder on the 7.