T202 Evers color variant

[milkit1]

Was wondering if anyone else has this color variant on Evers t202 card. Today is the 74th anniversary of his death.20210328_145834.jpg

[BabyRuth]

How about a blue and green combined!!!! Like Van Halen would say - "The Best of Both Worlds"

[milkit1]

very cool! I wonder if this blueish color is an actual variation and not just a printing error?

[CobbSpikedMe]

Is it not just missing the yellow pass to make green? What does the other side panel look like?

ETA: Sorry, forgot to say that it is very cool to see a blue background example though.

[milkit1]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

Is it not just missing the yellow pass to make green? What does the other side panel look like?

ETA: Sorry, forgot to say that it is very cool to see a blue background example though.

That's the strange thing is that the Archer is pretty spot on in color on both. Perhaps slightly lighter but barely 20210328_180742.jpg

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

Is it not just missing the yellow pass to make green? What does the other side panel look like?

ETA: Sorry, forgot to say that it is very cool to see a blue background example though.

It looks to me like the green is printed over the blue layer, doesn't look like there was a yellow layer like in modern cards. Anyway that is my take from the card with the green print offset. Looks to be missing the green pass to me. Very cool card.

[milkit1]

Originally Posted by bnorth

It looks to me like the green is printed over the blue layer, doesn't look like there was a yellow layer like in modern cards. Anyway that is my take from the card with the green print offset. Looks to be missing the green pass to me. Very cool card.

thanks! I seem to recall someone else having the same color variant. Would printing error happen to more than one of the same card?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by milkit1

thanks! I seem to recall someone else having the same color variant. Would printing error happen to more than one of the same card?

It could be just one or a lot of them before the printer noticed. Not sure what exactly they done back then but in more modern stuff they at least try to remove the bad(print error) cards.

[brianp-beme]

No blue Evers end panel for me, but I do have this interesting Shean color variation.

Brian

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

Hi,

The one I have had in my collection for all these years is the same turquoise color. It does not appear to be missing any color. My guess is one of the print runs had this color, maybe the first and corrected, maybe the last who knows. My version does not appear to have missing color. I believe it is a true color variant.

Lee

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

One thing I have notice since I have been buying T202s in the 80s is that the quality control seems pretty good. You rarely see any printer scrap type cards.

Lee

[milkit1]

HI Lee

Yeah I bet yours was the one I saw before. Very good to know! Yeah the color seems very strong on the Evers and doesnt seem to effect the Archer at all. Will be interesting to see if anymore ever pop up. Love BabyRuth's double color version too!

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Sterling Sports Auctions

One thing I have notice since I have been buying T202s in the 80s is that the quality control seems pretty good. You rarely see any printer scrap type cards.

Lee

I agree about the higher quality control for T202 compared to other sets from the era. Here's a couple end panels of cards that squeaked through QC though.

Brian

[milkit1]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

I agree about the higher quality control for T202 compared to other sets from the era. Here's a couple end panels of cards that squeaked through QC though.

Brian

Yeah that seems to be the two most frequent weird issues with T202 is miscuts and that blurring effect. the beauty of the miscuts is that Ive gotten some killer deals on them due to PSA grading them as such

[milkit1]

Was able to pick up another of this color variant. Only the 4th I've ever seen. Screenshot_20230805_222537_Chrome.jpg

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

Very Nice! Seems to be different shades of green/turquoise.

Here is my example

[Mark17]

Just out of curiosity, could this be due to sun exposure? I recall the 1958 Aaron cards that went from green to blue by fading the yellow out of them. Even if there wasn't a yellow pass, green is comprised of blue and yellow.

[swarmee]

Or if the card was soaked, it could be color loss due to that. But also likely, missing a color pass. That doesn't make it a scrap, just a print defect-led color deficiency.

Here is a proof sheet I own from the T51 set made at the same time, which shows the color palette that the Murad/S. Anargyros company had access to at their printer.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Or if the card was soaked, it could be color loss due to that. But also likely, missing a color pass. That doesn't make it a scrap, just a print defect-led color deficiency.

Here is a proof sheet I own from the T51 set made at the same time, which shows the color palette that the Murad/S. Anargyros company had access to at their printer.

Very cool John, I've never seen that before.

[cubman1941]

Just saw this thread. Checked mine and here are the two I have that are blue. Note Schulte seems to be a darker blue than the Foxen and, from what has been posted, it seems only the right side contains the blue?

[rc4157]

I have been away from Net54 for a while now and found this thread interesting on my return. I like the "defective" cards, nice.

[milkit1]

Whats fascinating is that Archer loses no color between the two cards. My guess is that they started the process with a Turquoise Evers, stopped it quickly realizing their error and fixed it back to green (as was the t205 from earlier). The variation shows up a minimum of 4 times so my guess is there are probably a few more. I do think this is a very difficult to find variation. The only real production errors I ever see in the t202's are the alignment issues that make some cards a little fuzzy and then of course the miscuts.

[milkit1]

Originally Posted by Sterling Sports Auctions

Very Nice! Seems to be different shades of green/turquoise.

Here is my example

Thanks! Yes Ill have to compare them in hand to see if the turquoise varies. Cant tell but it doesnt seem like it from the scan. What factory is yours Lee?

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Very cool John, I've never seen that before.

Yes, much different than the CMYK or RGB pallettes we're used to seeing with modern printing utilizing 3 or 4 ink colors to create all colors.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Yes, much different than the CMYK or RGB pallettes we're used to seeing with modern printing utilizing 3 or 4 ink colors to create all colors.

Yeah I've seen the color "pallettes" on lithographs before but I had never seen the T51 proof before.

I think Chris originally posted this one

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[etsmith]

It looks like they printed the Evers in light blue and then overprinted in green, maybe to make the green look darker?