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Old 02-06-2019, 10:46 PM
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Default 1921 Shotwell Babe Ruth on News

Guy believes he bought a legit 1921 Shotwell Babe Ruth from Action Sportscards in Sparks, Nevada. I actually used to frequent that place. I bought some E94s from him for about $50 bucks a piece. However, this looks like an obvious fake.


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Old 02-07-2019, 01:32 AM
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Fake for sure. It has light "artifacts" of the same flaws from the known PSA 1.5 example.
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Last week, this guy called the shop I just stopped working full-time at and said his grandmother left him this card when she passed. I'm guessing the guy he said examined it is my boss. I love that the story has already changed.
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If the spots match up on the one known, to this one, that is a red flag. I didn't compare it but other than that it does look ok from the scan. The edges are awfully white though. I think some more Shotwells will come out in the future. But that is a total guess.
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I love that this guy has been "collecting since he was a kid" but has no idea PSA or SGC exists and instead takes what could be a "million dollar card" to an antiques store. That's what I'd do if I found a Picasso. I'd take it to the local guy.
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I found the first Shotwell (Jacobson) to be cataloged in late 2007. It was in a stack of other E121s and came from a midwestern collection. They are 100% identical to other E121s. The borders appear bleach white, a jagged cut (inconsistent with 1920s printing methods) and the foundation almost appears thick. The only saving grace to the guy's story is that he got it from Action Sportscards in Sparks. The owner is not the brightest bulb in the batch and I could easily see him selling a $1000 card for ten bucks.
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I found the first Shotwell (Jacobson) to be cataloged in late 2007. It was in a stack of other E121s and came from a midwestern collection. They are 100% identical to other E121s. The borders appear bleach white, a jagged cut (inconsistent with 1920s printing methods) and the foundation almost appears thick. The only saving grace to the guy's story is that he got it from Action Sportscards in Sparks. The owner is not the brightest bulb in the batch and I could easily see him selling a $1000 card for ten bucks.
or a $60,000 card for $2?

correction...$2 million card for $2?????

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If the spots match up on the one known, to this one, that is a red flag. I didn't compare it but other than that it does look ok from the scan. The edges are awfully white though. I think some more Shotwells will come out in the future. But that is a total guess.

Most stuff should match on anything manufactured.


But whoever did it didn't remove the small tear at the right before printing it. So the tear is printed in.


Always nice when there's only one real one to compare to and that one has a clearly unique feature.
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Also notice the gray background on the original vs. the bleached out fake.
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