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Old 04-06-2015, 12:58 PM
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Default Is the Cobb, Red Cross Type 1 and Coupon T213 ........

I'm sure that it has been in other forums and discussed quite a bit on here I'm just looking for a tally here.

Is the Cobb, Red Cross Type 1 and Coupon T213 back considered apart of the unique backs that are part of the t206 collection ??????

Here's all the backs that I've found to be in from other people and articles I've read:

1 Ty Cobb Assorted Factory 33, 4th Dist. NC
2 Old Mill (Southern League) Overprint(s) Assorted Factory 649, 1st Dist. NY
3 Old Mill (Southern League) Brown
4 Lenox (brown) Assorted Factory 30, 2nd Dist. NY
5 Broad Leaf 460 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
6 Drum 350 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
7 Uzit Assorted Factory 30, 2nd Dist. NY
8 Hindu (red) Assorted Factory 649, 1st Dist. NY
9 Lenox (black) Assorted Factory 30, 2nd Dist. NY
10 Red Cross Type 1 **
11 Broad Leaf 350 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
12 Blank Back N/A N/A
13 Coupon Type 1 T213-1 T213-1
14 Carolina Brights Assorted Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
15 Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42, 4th Dist. NC
16 American Beauty 460 Factory 42, 4th Dist. NC
17 Hindu (brown) Assorted Factory 649, 1st Dist. NY
18 American Beauty (No Frame) 350 N/A
19 Sovereign 460 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
20 Cycle 460 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
21 Tolstoi Assorted Factory 30, 2nd Dist. NY
22 Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
23 El Principe De Gales Assorted Factory 17, 2nd Dist. VA
24 American Beauty (Frame) 350 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
25 Sovereign 350 (Apple Green) Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
26 Sweet Caporal (overprint) 350-460 Factory 42, 4th Dist. NC
27 Cycle 350 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
28 Old Mill (Southern Leagues) (black) Assorted Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
29 Sovereign 150 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
30 Sweet Caporal (overprint) 150 Factory 649, 1st Dist. NY
31 Sweet Caporal (overprint) 350-460 Factory 42, 4th Dist. NC
32 Old Mill Assorted Baseball Subjects
33 Polar Bear Assorted Factory 6, 1st Dist. OH
34 Sovereign 350 (Forrest Green) Forrest Green
35 Sweet Caporal 150 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
36 Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30, 2nd Dist. NY
37 Sweet Caporal 150 Factory 30, 2nd Dist. NY
38 Piedmont 150 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
39 Piedmont 350-460 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
40 Sweet Caporal 350 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
41 Sweet Caporal 350 Factory 30, 2nd Dist. NY
42 Piedmont 350 Factory 25, 2nd Dist. VA
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Old 04-06-2015, 01:04 PM
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Not officially but some like to include them in back runs
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Old 04-06-2015, 01:28 PM
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The Old Mill (Southern League) Overprint(s) Assorted Factory 649, 1st Dist. NY were proven to be fakes.
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The Old Mill (Southern League) Overprint(s) Assorted Factory 649, 1st Dist. NY were proven to be fakes.
No just the ones in black ink were forgeries, the few examples in "red" are original scrap items with period printing. They should not be considered a back just a printers scrap.

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2010/249.html

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No just the ones in black ink were forgeries, the few examples in "red" are original scrap items with period printing. They should not be considered a back just a printers scrap.

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2010/249.html
Thanks for clarifying John! I was only referring to the black ink versions (I had forgot all about the red ones!! )
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No just the ones in black ink were forgeries, the few examples in "red" are original scrap items with period printing. They should not be considered a back just a printers scrap.

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2010/249.html

Thank you both for that clarification. I'm glad to be learning this stuff. How many of you actually consider there to be 41 backs ?
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49/76 HOF's 64%
18/20 Overlooked by Cooperstown 90%
22/39 Unique Backs 56%
80/86 Minors 93%
25/48 Southern Leaguers 52%
6/10 Billy Sullivan back run 60%

237PSA / 94 SGC / 98 RAW

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T3, T201, T202, T204, T205, T206, T207, 1914 CJ, 1915 CJ, Topps 1952-1979, and more!!!!

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T205 8/208 3.8%
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Old 04-06-2015, 02:30 PM
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I go with 39. I don't consider the T213-1 Coupon (though Ted Z makes a compelling case to include it) and the T215-1 Red Cross as part of the T206 set. I call the Cobb Back a T206, but it truthfully it's probably it's own set of 1.
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Old 04-06-2015, 02:46 PM
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While we're at it, what about T215 Pirate backs? If they were printed in two separate groups, should some of them be considered T206?

If the first group was printed in 1910-1911, that would fall within the span of the T206 set, but the second group, printed in 1912, would not. But with the exception of Byrne, St.L and Byrne Pitt., the cards didn't change from the first to the second printing, so we can't which printing a particular card is from. Which I guess makes my point moot.
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Scratch the UZIT from your list. The red Cobb is one of 6 "super-prints" T206's. These 6 subjects were NOT printed with the UZIT back.


Speaking about the super-prints, here they are with their very rare 1910 COUPON (T213-1) backs. The 68 cards in this sub-set were printed by American Lithographic (ALC)
and issued circa Spring/Summer 1910......therefore, in my opinion they are T206's. I have yet to hear a logical argument to dissuade me from this premise.


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Furthermore, I strongly feel that the Ty Cobb / TY COBB card should be classified as a T206....since it was printed by ALC and issued circa 1910.





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Ted- Unfortunately you can think whatever you want it won't change the facts. The ACC says T213 Coupons were similar to T206. Burdick knew exactly what he was doing and the Coupon cards will always be T213, regardless of what you think.
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