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Old 07-11-2011, 12:56 PM
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I have always been leery towards making offers in the BST because I always figured not much good could come out of it and once again I have proven right.

Scott Levy has some Piedmont Art Stamps in the BST. I was really questioning whether to deal with him after the Brown Old Mill Shenanigans from last year, but I thought I would give him another chance, but that was proven to be a mistake.

Anatomy of a trying to make a deal:

I emailed him inquiring about scans and pricing of cards (non given on BST).

Response: "The listing has been updated. I am too unfamiliar with the issue to price them but I will consider all offers that are presented on a card by card basis."

I gave him prices for one HOFer (same as I recently paid for a similar HOFer on ebay) and all the commons.

Response: "Would you be kind enough to tell me whether there are any scarcities in the set - or is each hard relatively as tough as the others?"

Let me see I give you information about a set know little to nothing about and you want me to give you information on it. I always have loved that from sellers

Scott: "Im guessing the price is in the ballpark on the HOFer. Let me think about it a bit. "

No big deal understandable. No mention of the price I gave for the commons.

The email I get is this: "I got an offer that I could not refuse for the merkle chase Matty and Walsh (couldnt pass up ) The wheat is also on hold. All other cards are available and but likely to be very demanding on all others."

Once again no big deal understandable.

In this process I offered a T206 Carolina bright in possible trade never a mention through the whole process.

At this point I ask for a price on the remaining stamps.

Next email: "Just placed a new listing w/ prices."

Very disappointed, no answer to my inquiry about pricing and just throw the prices up on the BST. Many of these prices are 2 to 3 times what I offered and some totally outrageous with a glorified grades and descriptions added to these cards (these are the most strictly graded item I have ever encountered).

I gave him an offer on the 5 lower grades at this point because the rest were way out of line ($1200 for a raw common ). I find out that 2 were sold right away, so gave him an offer again at the level I have been buying them on ebay and his comment "I'm willing to be flexible on poor commons". Rejected which at this point I really didn't care.

Scott, just has proved once again that they are all about the money and lack serious communication skills. There are so many good sellers out there to buy from and he is not one in my book.

I got this response while typing: "Not really sure why you need to get personal and nasty just because I didn't accept your offer? (In reference to Brown Old Mill situation from last year)

I sell cards as a hobby not a business. I probably had close to ten other people inquire about these cards in some fashion or other - it just easier to throw pricing up there one and for all."

So you would not offer the pricing up to the previous inquirers and just let it be a free for all. Under my book very poor practice.

I will never again make an offer on a card, it just seems to give the seller grounds to were to go. I think many such as this situation you get the "shoot, if he is offering me this it must be going for more". Then you get left high and dry.


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Old 07-11-2011, 01:12 PM
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I agree, Lee...making offers sucks...and I rarely will. It's as if sellers are afraid to leave any money on the table. It's part of the deal...I have sold many cards a lot cheaper than I should have...c'est la vie.

I asked for an art stamp to be held for me...pending a back scan...and I believe since I asked for this...the price went up from $60 to $75...still waiting for scan?
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Old 07-11-2011, 01:26 PM
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I asked for an art stamp to be held for me...pending a back scan...and I believe since I asked for this...the price went up from $60 to $75...still waiting for scan?
real time offer update? someone probably made a $70 offer while you were asking for scans of the $60 card...you better step up your game (and offer) if you want that POOR+ card petey.
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Old 07-11-2011, 03:19 PM
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I don't know why people rip others on this board for anything else than perfect customer service. It's no big deal; they're just baseball cards. People who sell cards want to get the highest price possible for their cards, and people who buy cards want to get the lowest price. It's all human nature. So Scott didn't reply in the best manner or return scans promptly. As he said, it's just a hobby for him, and he has a life outside baseball cards. He can sell his cards to anyone he wants, whenever he wants. If what he does causes him to get lower prices than what's ideal, that's his business. I've never bought or sold cards to Scott, but he seems pretty reputable in the boards. I don't think he deserves to be ripped like this. The Old Mill incident, so what, he and his dad thought that the shade was slightly different. Other people didn't agree with him. I don't think he was trying to scam people. It was just a difference of opinion. Geez. For myself, another board member, Tony Quinn, asked me about scans and pricing for some of my cards I had on BST eons ago. I got really busy and never got back to him (even to this day). It's been so long since then, I just ended up listing these cards on ebay. I hope that he doesn't start a thread ripping me for my poor customer service on BST. (*Sorry, Tony, didn't mean to bring you into this.*)
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Old 07-11-2011, 03:56 PM
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Understand your frustration, but don't really see a need to "vent" over someone who is hesitant to sell a card. If he jipped you or something than yeah, you should warn everyone. But publicly calling him out for not selling you a card is a bit over the top, even if he kept raising prices (or whatever happened).
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Old 07-11-2011, 04:09 PM
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No dog in this fight, but I have dealt with Scott many times and I have had nothing but good experiences.
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Old 07-11-2011, 04:18 PM
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sounds like he was getting better offers than yours. you expect him to take less?
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Old 07-11-2011, 05:58 PM
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I don't know why people rip others on this board for anything else than perfect customer service. It's no big deal; they're just baseball cards. People who sell cards want to get the highest price possible for their cards, and people who buy cards want to get the lowest price. It's all human nature. So Scott didn't reply in the best manner or return scans promptly. As he said, it's just a hobby for him, and he has a life outside baseball cards. He can sell his cards to anyone he wants, whenever he wants. If what he does causes him to get lower prices than what's ideal, that's his business. I've never bought or sold cards to Scott, but he seems pretty reputable in the boards. I don't think he deserves to be ripped like this. The Old Mill incident, so what, he and his dad thought that the shade was slightly different. Other people didn't agree with him. I don't think he was trying to scam people. It was just a difference of opinion. Geez. For myself, another board member, Tony Quinn, asked me about scans and pricing for some of my cards I had on BST eons ago. I got really busy and never got back to him (even to this day). It's been so long since then, I just ended up listing these cards on ebay. I hope that he doesn't start a thread ripping me for my poor customer service on BST. (*Sorry, Tony, didn't mean to bring you into this.*)
No biggie Gary, we made some good deals and a couple others fell through. No hard feelings. Like you said, it's just cards. There are more cards than I have money for and plenty go by the wayside all the time. I would never lose sleep over a missed/botched/forgotten deal. I'd rather have good dealings with good people than a card any day. Unless someone has taken your money in a criminal manner, I'm with Gary, let's stop using this board to rip others just because you didn't get what you wanted.
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Old 07-11-2011, 08:28 PM
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but my personal position is that I will always pass on a "make me an offer" post from a seller. Maybe that works for others. It has never worked for me. If I have a number I can see and work off of, even if I think its high, that's fine. If the seller doesn't seem to know what he/she wants for the card, then I think they need to get that figured out and not depend on me to inform them what their card might be worth. My $.02.
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Old 07-11-2011, 08:39 PM
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Agree with what Kenny wrote above.
Also a set up to get in a protracted waiting game while better offers are being solicited
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