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Ted, I don't think Doyle a 350 only subject would have been on a sheet
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So we should expect to see more than 9 examples of the Joe Doyle N. Y. Nat'L?? Or those Elite 11 should only have 9 examples out there?
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Joe Doyle N.Y. NAT'L and it's 11 "cousins"......PART 2
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Do we really know if American Litho (ALC) printed 350-only subjects with 150/350 subjects on the same sheets when ALC started printing 350 backs on the 150 series cards ? However, we do know for sure that the 1st series printing of T215-1 cards (circa 1910) is comprised of a mixture of 150/350, 350-only, and 350/460 series cards. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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That's pretty interesting.
Certainly something to think about. The repair done on the Doyle from all indications was simply stoning off the unwanted "Natl". I think the cards showing remnants of the N are solid evidence of that being done. The alternative would be remaking the entire stone for that color. But that also means that we'll probably never know. The repair would have been done early, and there are enough regular Doyles that any that were intended to be that early would get lost in the crowd. It's possible they caught it, made the correction and finished the sheets already started intending to carry over the other 11 into the 350 series. The couple populations I looked at for epdg are really close, so maybe. Then the corrected version got put onto another sheet that didn't include the other 11 because the lead time pushed production back enough that the other 11 guys were already out of the 350s Food for thought, we'd know more if we could get a population on the ones showing a partial repair. Not much more since we don't know how many positions had the partial repair, but a bit more. |
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Steve I ran a Net54 survey on the Joe Doyle printer's mark some years ago. The "poor man's" Joe Doyle error card (as I have coined it) appears approx. 7 % of the sampled cards. Sample size was approx. 200+ cards......I think. I'll try and find this thread and post it here. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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That's good enough for me, 7% is consistent with one position on a sheet roughly 14 cards tall. (12 is only around 8%, so a pretty wide range of other sizes work too.) So it makes sense if they missed a bit on one location while doing the repair.
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The repair done on the Doyle from all indications was simply stoning off the unwanted "Natl". I think the cards showing remnants of the N are solid evidence of that being done.
Is there a premium on these cards? I have a Doyle with a pretty neat portion of the NY Nat'l. Actually just a piece of the first N. But really neat.... |
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Hey Steve My records indicate 16 cards of Joe Doyle with printer's mark from a survey of 204 samples.....resulting in 7.9 %. ............................................l..... .................................................. ..............…....l Printer's Mark TED Z T206 Reference . Last edited by tedzan; 05-08-2020 at 03:38 PM. Reason: Replaced scan. |
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Ted,
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Doyle Nat'L (on the left) that you posted a fake? Jantz |
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Hi Brendan Depicted here is my "poor man's" Joe Doyle error card. All 16 of these Doyle's that I have seen with this Printer's Mark look exactly like this one. So, I'm curious if your card is similar to this one, or does your card show more of the lower left of the "N" ? Anyhow, that tiny remnant mark is approx. 1/70th of the Nat'L lettering. So, given a typical value of 70,000 for a real Joe Doyle error card, then pro-rating this Mark's influence on this Joe Doyle card results in a value of approx. 1000 TED Z T206 Reference . |
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removed the NAT'L. Doyle NY Nat'L.jpg Doyle NY Nat'L Back.jpg Doyle.jpg |
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The Georgia connection is really cool. But the Doyle wouldn't have been on the same sheet as the Elite 11 guys. It's also very unlikely that the 11 were ever side-by-side on a sheet (because we know they weren't side-by-side on Piedmont 150 sheets).
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