T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[Ronnie73]

It's so interesting all the different ways everyone collects this set, including if they are graded or not. Seeing that this thread is already 800+ posts, I thought it would be fun to go back and read the first page. I found one of my posts from a little over 2 years ago. It's interesting to see how my numbers have changed since then. I even believed that a certain "No Print" card existed even though no one had ever seen one and I actually ended up finding it. Thanks Ted for starting this thread and thanks to everyone that contributes to it.

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

I got somewhat of a late start on my T206 collection. I didn't get serious about the cards and the set until 2010. Before that, I spent time collecting post-war cards, coins, stamps, and comic books from 1982 to 2009. I had a small number of T206's before really being interested in them. All low grade commons. I don't really count them as the start. My start and what I still call my first T206 set purchase in 2010 was a Hooks Wiltse Pitching. I remember scanning the pages of ebay looking for something special to officially start my set. Viewing the scans of the fronts & backs and looking for hidden gems. Then I found it. Wiltse Pitching PSA 2 with a blurry scan of the Piedmont 350-460 back. Even with the blurry scan, I could tell the factory line was longer (factory 42) than all the other Piedmont backs. So I hit the Buy It Now for $44.95 and have been hooked ever since. My first 5 purchases over the first month consisted of four Piedmont 42's and a Bob Groom Tolstoi Back. In my second month on my ninth purchase, I bought a Bob Groom Polar Bear. Nine cards in and i'm playing with the idea of a Front/Back combo set. I'm currently at 1249 different Front/Back combo's and that number has no Piedmont's except for Factory 42's and no Sweet Caporals. Within the 1249 cards, I'm ten cards away from a 520 set. The only complete back sub-set within the 1249 is the Old Mill SL set. I'm 5 away from a Sovereign 460 set, 3 being super prints and 2 others. I'm 40 away from a Polar Bear set and have the Demmitt St Louis. One sub-set I have that I don't count in my 1249 different cards is the Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 "No Print" Scraps, 27 different cards including Cobb Bat Off. When these were listed on ebay, only 27 different cards showed up even though I believe it is a 28 card set. I believe this is the most complete set intact. I also know David Hall has a decent amount of the set too but don't know which ones he's missing. All I can say is its been a fun 7 years since starting this set and I owe Net54 and the experts for much of it. Thank you.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

I got somewhat of a late start on my T206 collection. I didn't get serious about the cards and the set until 2010. Before that, I spent time collecting post-war cards, coins, stamps, and comic books from 1982 to 2009. I had a small number of T206's before really being interested in them. All low grade commons. I don't really count them as the start. My start and what I still call my first T206 set purchase in 2010 was a Hooks Wiltse Pitching. I remember scanning the pages of ebay looking for something special to officially start my set. Viewing the scans of the fronts & backs and looking for hidden gems. Then I found it. Wiltse Pitching PSA 2 with a blurry scan of the Piedmont 350-460 back. Even with the blurry scan, I could tell the factory line was longer (factory 42) than all the other Piedmont backs. So I hit the Buy It Now for $44.95 and have been hooked ever since. My first 5 purchases over the first month consisted of four Piedmont 42's and a Bob Groom Tolstoi Back. In my second month on my ninth purchase, I bought a Bob Groom Polar Bear. Nine cards in and i'm playing with the idea of a Front/Back combo set. I'm currently at 1249 different Front/Back combo's and that number has no Piedmont's except for Factory 42's and no Sweet Caporals. Within the 1249 cards, I'm ten cards away from a 520 set. The only complete back sub-set within the 1249 is the Old Mill SL set. I'm 5 away from a Sovereign 460 set, 3 being super prints and 2 others. I'm 40 away from a Polar Bear set and have the Demmitt St Louis. One sub-set I have that I don't count in my 1249 different cards is the Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 "No Print" Scraps, 27 different cards including Cobb Bat Off. When these were listed on ebay, only 27 different cards showed up even though I believe it is a 28 card set. I believe this is the most complete set intact. I also know David Hall has a decent amount of the set too but don't know which ones he's missing. All I can say is its been a fun 7 years since starting this set and I owe Net54 and the experts for much of it. Thank you.

Hi Ron

Interesting story, thanks for posting it. And, pardon me if I take some liberty in augmenting this comment of your's......"I found it. Hooks Wiltse Pitching PSA 2 with a blurry scan
of the Piedmont 350-460 back. Even with the blurry scan, I could tell the factory line was longer (factory 42) than all the other Piedmont backs. So I hit the Buy It Now for $44.95
and have been hooked".…..

Speaking about the Wiltse (pitching) card, how many of you T206 "dudes" are aware that this card has a unique feature ? The Wiltse (pitching) card's caption is unique in that it's
missing a DOT after the Y in "N. Y."
I have checked out my Wiltse cards [AMERICAN BEAUTY 460, PIEDMONT 350-460, SOVEREIGN 350, SWEET CAPORAL 350 (Factory #30) and UZIT]….the DOT is omitted on all of
them. Therefore, I don't think we can call this a "variation". I have not seen this type of DOT omission on any other T206 captons with "N. Y."


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[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Ron

Interesting story, thanks for posting it. And, pardon me if I take some liberty in augmenting this comment of your's......"I found it. Hooks Wiltse Pitching PSA 2 with a blurry scan
of the Piedmont 350-460 back. Even with the blurry scan, I could tell the factory line was longer (factory 42) than all the other Piedmont backs. So I hit the Buy It Now for $44.95
and have been hooked".…..

Speaking about the Wiltse (pitching) card, how many of you T206 "dudes" are aware that this card has a unique feature ? The Wiltse (pitching) card's caption is unique in that it's
missing a DOT after the Y in "N. Y."
I have checked out my Wiltse cards [AMERICAN BEAUTY 460, PIEDMONT 350-460, SOVEREIGN 350, SWEET CAPORAL 350 (Factory #30) and UZIT]….the DOT is omitted on all of
them. Therefore, I don't think we can call this a "variation". I have not seen this type of DOT omission on any other T206 captons with "N. Y."

TED Z
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Hi Ted, Hooked lol yup! I have 7 different Wiltse backs and will check them in a few weeks when I have the cards out again. It would be interesting to find one.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Hi Ted, Hooked lol yup! I have 7 different Wiltse backs and will check them in a few weeks when I have the cards out again. It would be interesting to find one.

Hi Ron

This Wiltse card was printed with 19 (or 20 ) different T206 backs. I have checked-out 17 cards of Wiltse with as many as 17 different T-brands. And all 17
of these Wiltse's are missing the DOT following the "Y" on the front.
And this is the way it should be, as we have hypothesized that the Fronts were first pre-printed on sheets which were hung up to dry. Then, as the various
Tobacco Factories ordered cards, American Lithographic printed the respective brands on the Backs of the T206's. And shipped to their respective Factories.


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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

It's so interesting all the different ways everyone collects this set, including if they are graded or not. Seeing that this thread is already 800+ posts, I thought it would be fun to go back and read the first page. I found one of my posts from a little over 2 years ago. It's interesting to see how my numbers have changed since then.
I even believed that a certain "No Print" card existed even though no one had ever seen one and I actually ended up finding it.

Thanks Ted for starting this thread and thanks to everyone that contributes to it.

Hi Ron

I think the "NoPrint" you are referring to is the Lajoie with SWEET CAP 350-460, Fac. #30. A great find on your part.

And thanks for the kind words....plus all the very meaningful stuff you have posted in this thread these past 2 years.



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[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Ron

I think the "NoPrint" you are referring to is the Lajoie with SWEET CAP 350-460, Fac. #30. A great find on your part.

And thanks for the kind words....plus all the very meaningful stuff you have posted in this thread these past 2 years.



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TED Z
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Hi Ted, yes the Lajoie. Has another one been found that I'm not aware of? I actually stopped looking after I found mine.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Hi Ted, yes the Lajoie. Has another one been found that I'm not aware of? I actually stopped looking after I found mine.

Hi Ron,

Sorry for the delayed response to your question.

It's my understanding that David Hall's master set includes all 28 - SWEET CAP 350-460, Factory #30 "no-print" cards. So, yes another Lajoie exists.


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[Ronnie73]

Just curious as to how many T206 collectors actually spend a lot of their time looking for new print group patterns? I'm always trying to find patterns and cards that don't fit the patterns. Just like today, I started with a blank sheet and wanted to find anything odd about Sweet Caporal Factory 25's. Many probably start at the beginning but I always start in the middle. I start with 350's and then look at what's missing from the 150's and the 460's. I tend to find more patterns by doing it this way. Interestingly, I found that 12 cards were missing from print group 4. After I listed them together, the list looked very familiar. It was the same cards as the 12 that are difficult in Old Mill's and Easier in Hindu's. Although many of us already know about these 12 cards, it's still interesting to start with a blank page and discover how we all got to where we are currently. There are 457 different front Sweet Caporal Factory 25's out of 524 cards.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Just curious as to how many T206 collectors actually spend a lot of their time looking for new print group patterns? I'm always trying to find patterns and cards that don't fit the patterns. Just like today, I started with a blank sheet and wanted to find anything odd about Sweet Caporal Factory 25's. Many probably start at the beginning but I always start in the middle. I start with 350's and then look at what's missing from the 150's and the 460's. I tend to find more patterns by doing it this way. Interestingly, I found that 12 cards were missing from print group 4. After I listed them together, the list looked very familiar. It was the same cards as the 12 that are difficult in Old Mill's and Easier in Hindu's. Although many of us already know about these 12 cards, it's still interesting to start with a blank page and discover how we all got to where we are currently. There are 457 different front Sweet Caporal Factory 25's out of 524 cards.

Is one of the 12 Merkle?

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Sean

Is one of the 12 Merkle?

Crandall, Doc (Portrait With Cap)
DeVore, Josh
Duffy, Hugh
Ford, Russ
Gandil, Chick
Geyer, Rube
Hummel, John
McGraw, John (Glove At Hip)
Pfeffer, Francis
Sheckard, Jimmy (Glove Showing)
Tannehill, Lee (Tannehill On Front)
Wheat, Zack

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Sean

Is one of the 12 Merkle?

Sean

I'm surprised....for you know Merkle is not one of Exclusive 12 guys in the 460-only Series.

Your amazing Merkle run does NOT have a red HINDU card. Nor will it ever.....since the only
subjects in the 460-only Series printed with red HINDU backs are the Exclusive 12 subjects.

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