What are the rarest backs (not just T206 or T Cards)

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Leon

I have always liked the backs a lot and have collected them for years....Lots of rare ones out there. The W575 (E121 type) card series has quite a few. (or are you only talking Ts and Es?)

Good question. I like the backs because of the advertisements -- its Americana and living history, in addition to sports memorabilia; an antique so to speak. To that end, I think those 1920's cards (which frankly I don't know much about) are very relevant and worth considering/ranking. However, I am most interested in the "T206-ish" cards -- like 1903-1915 -- the T's & E's....

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Good question. I like the backs because of the advertisements -- its Americana and living history, in addition to sports memorabilia; an antique so to speak. To that end, I think those 1920's cards (which frankly I don't know much about) are very relevant and worth considering/ranking. However, I am most interested in the "T206-ish" cards -- like 1903-1915 -- the T's & E's....

No worries. Then this T216 VE will suffice. Though they are seen occasionally now it took me around 4-5 yrs to get my first one. And HOF'ers are really tough.

[Mdmtx]

I am unsure how difficult these are, or even you have any interest in subject matter beyond baseball. I just bought these on eBay. 1 is an n101 dukes tobacco card. The other shares the same front with an added line of advertisement on the front and an advertisement for a piano company on the back. The card stock for the piano company one is much lighter. Anyway, I thought they were cool.


Mark

[darwinbulldog]

It depends on whether you count stamped ads or just printed ads, but
here are some that I believe there are fewer than 5 surviving examples of.

D310: Aldon Candy
E121: Service Candy, Shotwell, Kings, Henry Johnson (green)
R316: Douglas Park, Morton, Rialto, Community Theatre
1925-31 Exhibits: Marguerite's
W461: Playland
W514: Robinson Peanuts
W516-1-1: Sandow
W517: Piercy's
W554: Lucky Yo-Yo, Lukcy Deal, 40 Winners
1929 Exhibits Stars: Dixie Theater
W573: Cafe du Monde, Cream Nut, Kings


Here's the more extensive answer:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...192333&page=11

[ullmandds]

as per op's request...5 or so rarest pre WWI cards...no stamps...as stated...red crofts, T216 VE stand out as likely the rarest...Culligans are pretty tough.

Then I'd guess Pirate/Tango Eggs are relatively comparable...from a #'s perspective...although definitely not perception or demand or price.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

as per op's request...5 or so rarest pre WWI cards...no stamps...as stated...red crofts, T216 VE stand out as likely the rarest...Culligans are pretty tough.

Then I'd guess Pirate/Tango Eggs are relatively comparable...from a #'s perspective...although definitely not perception or demand or price.

Those are incorrect. These are my estimates of the populations of those issues.

Red Croft's: 14
T216 VE: 80
Pirates: 105
Tango Eggs: 400

[A2000]

Since we're talking about non T206 rare backs

[tedzan]

I'll throw these in for this discussion......


T208 Philadelphia A's Fireside


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T206 Reference
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[Leon]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Those are incorrect. These are my estimates of the populations of those issues.

Red Croft's: 14
T216 VE: 80
Pirates: 105
Tango Eggs: 400

96 Pirates cards were sold at once. You think there are only another 9 in the hobby?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Those are incorrect. These are my estimates of the populations of those issues.

Red Croft's: 14
T216 VE: 80
Pirates: 105
Tango Eggs: 400

Oops!!! I spoke too quickly...so crofts candy reds definitely DO stand out as tougher than just about any other back of that type. Then we're getting to pops close to 100 at minimum it seems. Yes there was that sale of 96 pirates...i'd guess the pop to be somewhere around 200 or so.(likely less)

I suppose if we are talking toughest backs of tcard sized cards...pre wwI mainly, then these issues need to be in the mix.

e92 crofts candy red
t216 VE
T215 Pirate
T215 Red Cross both types
T213 Type I
t214 victory
Clement Bros
t208
ty cobb/cobb back because its not a t206.

what have I missed?

[philliesphan]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the D355 Niagara Baking back.

I owned the Otto Knabe, which I subsequently traded to Dan Gannt, who sold it in his divestiture over the past ±2 years. I don't think I've ever seen any other D355 example in the last fifteen years.

The E104-III Nadja's are certainly rare - but I'm not sure if they're that much rarer than E104-III blank backs. Which, if that's the case, I'm not sure becomes a valid comparison. (I've owned seven or eight E104-IIIs, and have had a fairly even mix between blank and Nadja back)

A bit like OP, I am the proud owner of a Pirate and Brown Lenox back - two cards that are unlikely to leave my collection anytime soon.

m

[darwinbulldog]

There's also the infamous blue Old Mill T206, but that's a different discussion perhaps. In the meantime, I believe these are the five toughest backs in my own collection: R316 Douglas Park, W573 Cafe du Monde, W514 Hendler's ("Plate" error), W514 Robinson Cruso, W575 Henry Johnson & Howard P Boyer.

[RaidonCollects]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

It depends on whether you count stamped ads or just printed ads, but
here are some that I believe there are fewer than 5 surviving examples of.

D310: Aldon Candy
E121: Service Candy, Shotwell, Kings, Henry Johnson (green)
R316: Douglas Park, Morton, Rialto, Community Theatre
1925-31 Exhibits: Marguerite's
W461: Playland
W514: Robinson Peanuts
W516-1-1: Sandow
W517: Piercy's
W554: Lucky Yo-Yo, Lukcy Deal, 40 Winners
1929 Exhibits Stars: Dixie Theater
W573: Cafe du Monde, Cream Nut, Kings


Here's the more extensive answer:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...192333&page=11

I think there are probably more D310 Aldon Candy Co. stamped backs, I have seen some come up for auction and when I bought a D310 Tom Seaton a while back, I was surprised to find at least a partial aldon stamp. I might try and find a more zoomed in version, because you can't really see the letters from this scan.

Oh, and also it would make a fun thread to see the population of all the different Aldon backs, not sure how many there are in total.

Owen

Image: https://imgur.com/a/lSPoT

[BobC]

Probably not as rare as some backs where there are only a small handful known to exist in total, thought the '21 Herpolsheimer's should at least get an honorable mention as only a single card is known to exist for each player.

[Steve D]

T207 Red Cross is a contender for rarest back.

Here's a previous thread on it:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=190490

Steve

[glenv]

Glenn has a good list. Although I have three Aldon overprints (all horrible shape), so I doubt there's less than five of them. You can add Jamaica Theater to the list of possibly unique R316s. Leon used to have some unique backs, like the E222 AWA and the 1921 Voskamps (not the 1913 version). I think there's less than 10 known Peggy Popcorn and La Azore Cobb cards. And the Alpha Photo Engraving issue comes in at a whopping 14.

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

It depends on whether you count stamped ads or just printed ads, but
here are some that I believe there are fewer than 5 surviving examples of.

D310: Aldon Candy
E121: Service Candy, Shotwell, Kings, Henry Johnson (green)
R316: Douglas Park, Morton, Rialto, Community Theatre
1925-31 Exhibits: Marguerite's
W461: Playland
W514: Robinson Peanuts
W516-1-1: Sandow
W517: Piercy's
W554: Lucky Yo-Yo, Lukcy Deal, 40 Winners
1929 Exhibits Stars: Dixie Theater
W573: Cafe du Monde, Cream Nut, Kings


Here's the more extensive answer:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...192333&page=11

[ValKehl]

Here's the other variation of Leader Theatre: