PSA-A Cautionary Tale!

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

"yeah , when will we hear anything from Orlando regarding the Wagner card !"

I don't think Joe was with PSA when this occurred...was he? Although either way I'm sure he knows what happened.

If Joe did not know early on, once Mastro went down he certainly knew it then.
"Hey PSA this card has been trimmed but if you want to build a company that nobody now knows about slab it and you will be famous." - - Who could have possibly said that??

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

The sentiment amongst those in the PSA inner circle seems to be..."I don't care if there's fraud going on...as long as I'm a beneficiary of it!"

One could surmise that is the sentiment of a significant portion of the hobby and not just as it relates to PSA.

One of the most amazing things about TPG is that the pricing structure that has been the outgrowth of it actually serves to encourage the behavior that it was originally developed to "protect" us against.

[T206DK]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

If Joe did not know early on, once Mastro went down he certainly knew it then.
"Hey PSA this card has been trimmed but if you want to build a company that nobody now knows about slab it and you will be famous." - - Who could have possibly said that??

He's there now and that's all that matters to me and other collectors I know. I don't have a vested interest in PSA or the registry or anything, but am concerned that no one has said anything regarding the findings from the recent court case ( at least not that I have seen). It speaks to the rep of the company, and the reputation of thousands of "graded" high dollar cards and collectibles in collections around the world. The only way a numerical grade even matters is because people trust that company and the people that are grading cards there.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by T206DK

He's there now and that's all that matters to me and other collectors I know. I don't have a vested interest in PSA or the registry or anything, but am concerned that no one has said anything regarding the findings from the recent court case ( at least not that I have seen). It speaks to the rep of the company, and the reputation of thousands of "graded" high dollar cards and collectibles in collections around the world. The only way a numerical grade even matters is because people trust that company and the people that are grading cards there.

It truly is amazing that Joe O. claims to be sitting by the phone waiting for our calls yet the biggest scandal in the history of PSA comes out two weeks ago in which it appears the company was birthed due to a multi-million dollar fraud and yet all we hear are....crickets.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

It truly is amazing that Joe O. claims to be sitting by the phone waiting for our calls yet the biggest scandal in the history of PSA comes out two weeks ago in which it appears the company was birthed due to a multi-million dollar fraud and yet all we hear are....crickets.

I believe David Hall already is on record as having said -- not too long ago -- that he personally examined the card and that the edges were fine. That may have been in the context of responding to a claim that had been made in "The Card" attributed to Bill Hughes, or it may have been after reports of Mastro's confession had surfaced, but I can't imagine what else they can say at this point.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I believe David Hall already is on record as having said -- not too long ago -- that he personally examined the card and that the edges were fine. That may have been in the context of responding to a claim that had been made in "The Card" attributed to Bill Hughes, or it may have been after reports of Mastro's confession had surfaced, but I can't imagine what else they can say at this point.

Peter,

I recall that David Hall made that type of statement at the 2012 Registry Luncheon. Here's a news article:

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/ite...not-in-private

[Peter_Spaeth]

Dan right that is what I was recalling.

Hall, according to our source, told his audience that they should question Mastro’s motives; Mastro might have agreed to say the card is trimmed as part of a deal with prosecutors. “He was suggesting you can’t believe Mastro, because now he will do anything to save himself,” our spy says.

Hall, according to our mole, also said Bill Hughes, the member of the grading team who told us he knew the card had been trimmed, has denied making those comments. Hall, our spy says, claims Hughes says it is an “out and out lie” that he knew the card had been trimmed.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Dan right that is what I was recalling.

Hall, according to our source, told his audience that they should question Mastro’s motives; Mastro might have agreed to say the card is trimmed as part of a deal with prosecutors. “He was suggesting you can’t believe Mastro, because now he will do anything to save himself,” our spy says.

Hall, according to our mole, also said Bill Hughes, the member of the grading team who told us he knew the card had been trimmed, has denied making those comments. Hall, our spy says, claims Hughes says it is an “out and out lie” that he knew the card had been trimmed.

The admission to trimming the Wagner was the least of Mastro's problems if you read the indictment against him. Hall is full of shit here.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

The admission to trimming the Wagner was the least of Mastro's problems if you read the indictment against him. Hall is full of shit here.

Not saying he isn't, just saying that PSA has not kept silent entirely on the matter.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not saying he isn't, just saying that PSA has not kept silent entirely on the matter.

Well, that's true. The info about Mastro trimming the Wagner was addressed by PSA in that private luncheon. Was that the meeting in which the fancy stationary was passed out?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Well, that's true. The info about Mastro trimming the Wagner was addressed by PSA in that private luncheon. Was that the meeting in which the fancy stationary was passed out?

Not sure, but it may have been in the next room to the committee being organized to self-police the hobby?

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by calvindog

It truly is amazing that Joe O. claims to be sitting by the phone waiting for our calls yet the biggest scandal in the history of PSA comes out two weeks ago in which it appears the company was birthed due to a multi-million dollar fraud and yet all we hear are....crickets.

Huge +1, then again his close pal Kevin has set his line open for calls. When your good buddy who understands your business model says expect calls from my board peeps you make the time.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Well, that's true. The info about Mastro trimming the Wagner was addressed by PSA in that private luncheon. Was that the meeting in which the fancy stationary was passed out?

I was there - it was in Baltimore last year. Hall started off the luncheon with a slide showing The Card and talking about the PSA guarantee.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not sure, but it may have been in the next room to the committee being organized to self-police the hobby?

I believe the Fogel Hobby Police was formed two years prior.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Huge +1, then again his close pal Kevin has set his line open for calls. When your good buddy who understands your business model says expect calls from my board peeps you make the time.

You know what John, why don't you get a life? Oh, I know, here come the past comments, here comes the past threads, here comes the past emails, and your pathetic cartoons, and all of your other bullshit. You are a master of that. By the way, Isn't that a little psycho?....Why dont you get some balls and take this off the forum and contact me? By the way, if you think Joe is sweating you, one word, PLEASE.....

[vintagetoppsguy]

All in this same thread...

Directed towards John...

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Why dont you get some balls...

Directed towards Peter...

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Peter- why dont you grow a set...

Directed towards me...

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Grab a set and call Joe...

Kevin, what is your fascination with male genitalia?

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

All in this same thread...

Directed towards John...



Directed towards Peter...



Directed towards me...



Kevin, what is your fascination with male genitalia?

I guess you guys mean so much to me. What can I say?

[CMIZ5290]

I wonder what cartoon john is thinking of pertaining me and Joe Orlando? I know the wheels have got to be turning....

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

You know what John, why don't you get a life? Oh, I know, here come the past comments, here comes the past threads, here comes the past emails, and your pathetic cartoons, and all of your other bullshit. You are a master of that. By the way, Isn't that a little psycho?....Why dont you get some balls and take this off the forum and contact me? By the way, if you think Joe is sweating you, one word, PLEASE.....

Kevin as I have said many times no need to contact or talk to you off the forum. I find all of your cursing, machismo and big talk of being a huge hobby player very amusing to read. However not interesting enough to spend too much time on beyond the occasional giggle or oh brother thought as I read your posts.

Besides I’m sure you have much to do this evening besides talking with me. Between Trick or Treating with your close buddy Joe Orlando to marking down/bumping those severely under graded amazing cards of yours on the BST. Perhaps you can even squeeze in some eBay listings and do some computer screen grading of other folks over graded cards….heck the night’s still young. I’ll leave you too your night have a great one.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I wonder what cartoon john is thinking of pertaining me and Joe Orlando? I know the wheels have got to be turning....

It may involve one set or possibly two.....

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It may involve one set or possibly two.....

I'll be sure and tell Joe you said that....I'm sure he'll get a kick out of it...

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

call Joe, 888-469-2646

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Wow, not trying to take sides by any means, but this does not sound like the Joe Orlando I know....Matt, again, not trying to take sides and I'm sorry for your incident....

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Once again, that does not sound like the Joe Orlando I know....

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

You are probably right Pete, I'm sure Joe has better things to do than worry about this forum....

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I have spoken with Joe Orlando for about 25 minutes, maybe longer....As I said before in other posts, both sides need to be heard pertaining this situation. From Talking to Joe, the beginning of the conversation is pretty much agreed upon, but then rapidly changes. Joe relayed to me that any open discussions can be made to him personally, and he is always open to talking with Net54 members....

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Are you people living in a fantasy world?? Joe Orlando doesn't give a shit about what you think...He did, however, offer anyone a true statement of what happened in the phone conversation.....What else do you want? Oh, I know, witch hunt time.....

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Maybe I mispoke...Yes, Joe obviously cares about what people think, but this is ridculous. Why is there so much hatred against PSA, based upon one word from someone on Net54?? Maybe he's pissed??

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Peter- why dont you grow a set and call him at the number I provided? I promise he won't hurt your feelings....

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

David- Do you even think that Joe looks at this forum? Highly doubtful, big time. As I said before from conversation with him, he is more than happy to communicate what transpired with Matt...He doesn't give a rat's ass about "POSTING IT" on the Forum. Again, call him at the number from earlier post...

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

888-469-2646, are you a dumbass or what? Tell Joe I said hey!!

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

David- do you have little man's syndrome? Grab a set and call Joe, He already knows that you are an idiot, but he wants to talk to you....

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I'll be sure and tell Joe you said that....I'm sure he'll get a kick out of it...

I'm sure he can't wait for your call.

[Gradedcardman]

John, classic stuff...I'm bored serving candy to the kiddies, this is just what I needed !!

[wonkaticket]

Adam, be sure to keep an eye out for Joe and Kevin they will be in their best buddies costumes.

[arexcrooke]

Originally Posted by calvindog

It truly is amazing that Joe O. claims to be sitting by the phone waiting for our calls yet the biggest scandal in the history of PSA comes out two weeks ago in which it appears the company was birthed due to a multi-million dollar fraud and yet all we hear are....crickets.

Got a link for a newb?

[WhenItWasAHobby]

I find it puzzling how Mr. Orlando engages in a pattern of instantly banning loyal customers who make legitimate complaints about PSA's service yet would not ban, at least for 9 months, a major dealer of PSA cards who admitted under oath that he used Joe Orlando's identity on-line without Joe's consent to harass and scare another party into believing they were going to be sued by PSA. Perhaps even more disturbing is that even after supposedly banning this dealer, the dealer publicly continued to run a business of selling newly graded PSA cards after being banned from PSA for two more years.