T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[Ronnie73]

Those are some nice AB460 numbers Ted. This back is probably the least back in my collection along with everything after that like Hindu, CB's, etc. I did have 11 but now down to 10. I traded a friend an ungraded (poor) Murray Portrait for an Al Shaw Piedmont 350 PSA 2. I only had $100 invested so I did pretty good. My AB350 set is coming along and I will most likely complete that before the with frames and the 460's.

Ted, have you ever thought of going after an Old Mill set? I think that would be right up there compared to a Hindu or CB back set. Big set and lots of low pop's. I just add one here and there and try not to focus on it because of the real difficulty. I'm a 141 plus all SL'ers. Out of that, between 30-40 print group one's.

[tedzan]

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.................. Some of the really tough to find AB 460 cards in this sub-set ...................


A T206 collector, who has 60% of the cards in his AB 460 run, asked me which of the 74 cards are the toughest ?
I'll start with this Cobb. While there are as many as 10 known with the AB 460 back, this Cobb is very tough to find simply because of the "supply vs demand" factor.


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List of the scarcest AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 subjects. Only 1 (or 2) examples of each are known.

350/460 Series

Cobb (bat off shoulder) ...........less than 10 examples
Jennings (one hand)
Lajoie (bat)
McQuillan (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right)
Wilhelm (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)


460-only Series

Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Camnitz (arms above head)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Doyle (portrait)
Howell (hand on waist)
Lake (with ball)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
Murray (portrait)
Oldring (batting)
Payne
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (portrait)
Tinker (bat on shoulder)
Wiltse (portrait-cap)


I would appreciate any additional inputs to this list.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Those are some nice AB460 numbers Ted. This back is probably the least back in my collection along with everything after that like Hindu, CB's, etc. I did have 11 but now down to 10. I traded a friend an ungraded (poor) Murray Portrait for an Al Shaw Piedmont 350 PSA 2. I only had $100 invested so I did pretty good. My AB350 set is coming along and I will most likely complete that before the with frames and the 460's.

Ted, have you ever thought of going after an Old Mill set? I think that would be right up there compared to a Hindu or CB back set. Big set and lots of low pop's. I just add one here and there and try not to focus on it because of the real difficulty. I'm a 141 plus all SL'ers. Out of that, between 30-40 print group one's.

Hi Ron

The OLD MILL's don't excite me....except for the Exclusive 12 cards with OLD MILL backs. As you know, these OLD MILL's are very difficult to find.
But, I enjoy this challenge. Recently, I started looking for them, and I have only 4 of them......

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Not too pretty; however, I'll take them any way that I can find them


TED Z
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[tedzan]

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Circa 2000, a bunch of T206's were in circulation that were FAKES. These T206's were so professionally altered that they not only fooled collectors; but, also fooled the Grading
Company's (PSA, SGC, etc.)....who graded these fakes and gave some of them high numbers. Check-out this thread....Rebacked T206's on Ebay

Most in the hobby called these altered T206's...."re-backed". I choose to call them "re-fronted" DRUM's, red HINDU's, LENOX's, etc. A professional paper restorer told me how it
was easy to interchange the front / back combo of a T206. By first removing the front of a common T206 image from a card whose back was a rare one (DRUM, HINDU, LENOX,
UZIT, etc., etc.). Then, very precisely appliqueing the desired front onto the card with the rare back. He said there are adhering mediums that are undetectable in this process.

Fortunately, there were some of us collectors that instantly discerned that these T206's were fakes because their front / back combos were impossible.

Examples......

Matty (portrait) with a red HINDU back (PSA & SGC graded)

Red Cobb with DRUM back (PSA graded)

Green Cobb with a red HINDU back

Green Cobb with a CYCLE 350 back

Johnson (pitching) with BROAD LEAF 350 back


We were lucky......whoever did a beautiful job of altering these T206's was totally ignorant of the T206 Series structure and its associated backs.


There were many of these fakes in circulation, if you recall others than the 5 which I have listed here, please give us your inputs.

Thanks,

TED Z
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[tedzan]

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Circa 2000, a bunch of T206's were in circulation that were being sold on Ebay (and at Shows) that were FAKES. These T206's were very professionally altered, and these cards
fooled many collectors (and even the Grading Co's.). Except some of us, who instantly recognized these cards had front / back combos that were impossible.

Here is an updated list with some more examples which were reported to me via emails. So far, we have identified these 7 fake T206 cards......

Matty (portrait) with a red HINDU back (PSA and SGC graded)

Matty (portrait) with a SOVEREIGN 460 back (PSA graded)

Red Cobb with DRUM back (PSA graded)

Green Cobb with a red HINDU back

Green Cobb with a CYCLE 350 back

Johnson (pitching) with BROAD LEAF 350 back

Johnson (portrait) with BROAD LEAF 350 back


Courtesy Chris Brown


There were many more of these fakes in circulation. If you recall others than the 7 which I have listed here, please provide us your inputs.

Thanks,

TED Z
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[jerrys]

Hi Ted - I can not find an answer to this T206 question:

Two Doolan Cards, one Doolin Card - they are same person. Any idea why there was not a correction?

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[Luke]

Jerry,

They did fix the error, but not until the 350 series. The Doolin portrait was first printed in 1909. When they printed his other two cards, starting in 1910, the correction was made.

Scott Gross wrote a fun article for my website about all the misspelled names in the t206 set (shameless plug )

http://www.thatt206life.com/2017/04/...ur-name-wrong/

[tedzan]

H Jerry

Mickey Doolin's portrait card (issued in the 150 Series) is correct.

His 350 Series card (fielding pose) and his 350/460 Series card (batting pose) are mis-spelled.

They had it right the 1st time....anyone's guess why his subsequent cards had it wrong ?


TED Z
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[tedzan]

Baseball-Reference.com has his name listed as Mickey Doolin.

What am I missing here ?


TED Z
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[jerrys]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Baseball-Reference.com has his name listed as Mickey Doolin.

What am I missing here ?


TED Z
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Just curious to find out why there are two spellings. Thanks.