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Posted By: TheCard
Thanks Mr. Spell Checker for pointing out misspell words instead of answering the questions. You are a expert in human error. Now for the T206 expert in the house. Stop ego tripping. You are not an expert, just because you have 50, 100, 500, etc... You are just a big collector of T206's. Can you till me when, were, and how the card was printed (factory, city, print plates, etc..) And yes this is very important info., in solving the puzzle behind the T206 Honus Wagner-Piedmont. |
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Posted By: William
<<If the grading compnaies were expert in authenticating T206 cards, then why didn't they come up with the concept of test the fiber of the card first. I did.>> |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: ramram
Here we go.............. |
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Posted By: Jim F
I can till you that the glue of THIS universe is going to block your ass any minute cause he be trippin by now. But seriously dude, get a life. You think someone with $300k to throw around on a piece of cardboard or anything else is stupid? Seriously? T206 cards are not a mystery, the only mystery around here is what you've been smoking. As much as you wish this card to be real with phoney baloney paper testers and Mr. Magoo the famous memorabilia dealer on the 37th floor, it ain't gonna happen!! We ain't buyin what ya sellin!! Never will!! I just want to know how you conned this auctioneer into trying to sell it? Are all those Psa 1-2 T206's yours too? Is that your angle? If all the $20 ones are real, the $300k one must be real too right? Go away. |
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Posted By: leon
I have read it all but in the name of a good SNL skit (pick an old one with Belushi....maybe the blues bros. one(s))...and I say let 'er rip. This guy does need to go to the YAAhoo board but why not let him express himself? I really almost thought the first post in this thread was an attempt at comedy, it's so funny.....Tell me how many folks didn't laugh, just a little, when they read it?..breast regards |
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Posted By: DJ
Dude, you are trippin! First off, race doesn't exist. Why you ask? WE CAN'T SEE YOU!!!!!!!! If you don't mention it, HOW WOULD WE KNOW? |
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Posted By: jay behrens
You never told us why we can't get ahold of your expect, Mr Swedy? I would think that it would be very important for him to be able to answer questions about how he went about his tests. You can't sit there and trumpet scientific tsting when the person taht did it has a disconnected phone and can't be found. |
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Posted By: John
I hate when people play the “Race Card” but these guys might be onto something! |
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Posted By: Ray Piskadlo
Congratulations! You probably do own a real T206 BACK!!! Too bad it was skinned off a common and attached to a horrible looking Honus Wagner scan that was artificially aged. It doesn't take a company to do that... just a single person with a computer, scanner, and printer. |
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Posted By: Dave Simon
You know, a better analysis would have been to have the 'experts' compare the reprint to an actual Wagner or any other T206 Piedmont. Saying that the paper is consistent with paper from an era is different than comparing the paper of your reprint to the paper of a known original. |
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Posted By: peter ullman
a better analysis would have been to test mr. the card's dna to confirm that he is a con artist and a moron. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
If I remember the story of the card right, they got it in the early 90s for $1500. They realized after spending this money that they got conned and are trying pull the con themselves. Basically, they are suckers looking for a bigger sucker. Sadly, I don't think there are two bigger suckers in this world then these two guys. I got a bridge in Brooklyn I'm looking to sell if you are interested. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
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Posted By: Jim F
How much does fiber analysis cost these days? |
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Posted By: Dan Kravitz
Isn’t nice that we can bond together sometimes? It's more fun when the board plays nice. Back to business... Wagner is a bad fake. Please take your nonsense elsewhere. We have meaningful discussions to conduct. |
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Posted By: Dave Simon
Extra faux tobacco stains thrown in at no charge. What Piedmont pack did this card come from, the special Drum edition? |
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Posted By: Lee Behrens
I just love people who try to defend themselves on vintages carsd on this board when they have no idea who they are dealing with. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Lee, these are big time playas (like the hood language?) in the vintage card arena. Didn't you read that he came up with the idea of fiber testing a card for autenticity? Come on, that's about as big a playa as you are gonna find in this ignorant nexk of the woods. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
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Posted By: Joey Settle
I actually remembered the story of Olbermann having his driver look at the doctored Doyle error he purchased from mr. mint several years ago. Even his driver who knew absolutely nothing about cards could tell it wasn't right. I tried similar scientific logic and had my girlfriend compare the scan of the card against 5 of my graded T206's. She could tell in about .5 seconds the card did not look right at all in comparsion authenticated T206 cards. Being in medical school and having degrees in biology and chemistry, I think I know more than this clown about scientific method. She knows nothing about my cards and probably thinks Ty Cobb is Louis Vuitton's long lost brother. Scientifically, she proved that her unbiased(colorblind to the race card)eyesight doesn't lie, the card is a really, really bad fake! Now, back to more important business. |
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Posted By: mike rothstein
Quote: And remember that science is the glue to the Universe, with out it you and I wouldn't exist. |
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Posted By: nbrazil
"Can you till me when, were, and how the card was printed (factory, city, print plates, etc..)" |
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Posted By: Seth B,
"Our side, your side, and the truth" |
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Posted By: Tim James
I noticed that the two posts have a haunting simalarity to the way people who are in a cult try to convince you that they are right and you are wrong.I've heard people argue about the Bible using pretzel logic just like this. |
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Posted By: Cat
Cardowner....back away from the glue man. |
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Posted By: Dan Koteles
I have one with the "Horace DeBussey Jones" back and it |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
I must have missed something in the translation... |
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Posted By: Luc Mitchell
"Can you till me when, were, and how the card was printed (factory, city, print plates, etc..) And yes this is very important info., in solving the puzzle behind the T206 Honus Wagner-Piedmont." |
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Posted By: Russ Bright
"Spell checker" may have your back, but I'm worried about the other nasty guys; "Grammar Checker" and "Complete Sentance Man". They will be your ultimate downfall. |
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Posted By: J Levine
I tried to be nice and civil in the other thread and then I got annoyed but now I know I have it correct. I would like to offer the sellers of this card, two more Wagners with Piedmont backs. Niether will state reprint and both will be reprinted on paper certain to come from no later than 1909. I will offer them both for the sum of $1000 each. They will pass all forensic tests on the paper fiber and ink. All I ask is about 1 month to print them up. See, I need to find a book from the given time period, not really a big problem because I have two fantastic used book shops near me and they carry a variety of vintage books. I then need to carefully remove the paper, pulp it using distilled water and reconstitute it as thicker, almost cardboard stock. Really not that hard. Used to do this all the time in my middle school and camp. The harder part would be to find inks that do not react to UV light. But wait, that can be done to as many vintage inks are still available although not readily. If that does not happen, I can always use my old trick of mixing oil paints. You would be surprised how close I can come to a given color. The backs are really easy too. Skin a couple of cheap t206s and viola'! So, boys, let me know if you want them. Really. I don't understand why you would not as you stand to make a fortune on your's and three fortunes are better than one right? One for each of the owners and one for their lawyer. Drop me a note. I look forward to doing business with you. |
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Posted By: John S
As an instructor of Chemistry and Biology, let me educate you about the word "science". Science is a process, not a means to prove anything. Science is continually misrepresented by the media and ignorant individuals like yourself as a conclusive and fail-safe endeavor. The final step of the scientific method is the presentation of results/conclusion for criticism. While there is no doubt that had the card analyzed, a panel of experts (this board) has deemed the card a forgery. In this situation, the good scientist, if he/she was undaunted by the criticism, would re-test their hypothesis (the card is real) by eliminating variables. Bottom line, if you truly believe the card to be real, allow a panel of experts, not just hand-picked individuals, to examine the card. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I keep waiting for him to walk over to us, stick out his hand and say, "Do you mind if we dance wif yo dates?" |
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Posted By: Andrew Parks
John, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Dear Wagner owner- let us continue this discussion and exercise in futility. First, the puzzle of this card has been solved a long time ago, and it is fake. Second, you question whether the people on this board are experts. Well guess what, this is in fact a board of expert vintage card collectors. Every person on this board spends a good part of his or her professional or leisure time studying vintage baseball cards, and no set has been analyzed more than T206. How much time have you and your buddy spent studying the set? That aside, I have an offer to make you that you can't refuse. Here's the deal: We send the card to one of the grading services, and I, Barry Sloate, will pay for all the fees. If the card turns out to be fake, you send me $1.00. If the card turns out to be real, I will send you a certified check for $10,000! That's 10,000 to 1 odds in your favor. The whole board is my witness so if I lose I will have to pay. The stipulation for you to collect is either SGC, PSA, or GAI must examine the card and make a ruling. How can you lose? Since the card is real, you will pick up a cool 10K with no risk. Please email me at bsloate@att.net if you wish to accept my offer. |
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Posted By: anthony
i just looked at this piece of sh*t, if any idiot decides to bid on this card, then they deserve to have their money taken from them...im just glad they stated that they are not an authenticator...thats enough for me |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Good offer, Barry. |
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Posted By: Joann
General impressions ... |
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Posted By: John S
Andrew, |
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Posted By: joe
I think Sean has been watching too many rap videos. Oh' wait, this is someone else. |
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Posted By: John Basilone
All one needs to do is check the co-owner's website to see that they offer only legitimate items to the public. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Horny Goat Weed sounds something like Spanish Fly. |
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Posted By: John
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Posted By: steve f
Not sure what that herb is, but I'm volunteering to fix vittles tonite! |
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Posted By: ScottIngold
Maybe his goats in heat. |
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Posted By: David Smith
As I said in another post, I would hate to see what these guys are trying to get over on their customers in their REAL business. Now that I have seen their website, I am scared. |
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Posted By: John
You guys have to give these clowns credit though. They may not be smart but they are clever. These 2 guys have taken a worthless piece of paper and received numerous articles and media coverage. |
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Posted By: Bruce Babcock
This thread has great entertainment value. |
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Posted By: Patrick McHugh
Opening bid on Wagner card 300k. Grading fee to authenticate 200. Reading this thread and laughing so hard my ribs feel broken priceless. |
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Posted By: Steve Dawson
Copied/pasted from your original post above: |
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