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Posted By: scott ingold
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Posted By: Adam Smith
From 3 to 4.5? You got screwed. |
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Posted By: Brian E.
I certainly lost a little faith in GAI on this one. I wonder what the explanation is...consistency problem, favoritism etc... |
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Posted By: scott ingold
And i always counted myself as a big supporter of theirs do to the service i have recieved. Now i will wait to speak to someone there and see how it shakes out. |
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Posted By: quan
it's a 4.5...if you're willing to overlook the mark. how much did it go for in the gai3 holder? |
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Posted By: scott ingold
I actually enjoy doing buisness with the seller and do not fault him at all. All of my dealings with Charlie have been great and i will continue to buy from him. So i am not comfortable with naming a price. But at the time ( actually it was a trade) i was happy. |
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Posted By: Brian E.
Is the mark ink? Even though there is no doubt it is marked, the mark is extremely minor if the the scans are an accurate representation. I wonder if the grader either didn't notice it OR thought it was subtle and didn't warrant a lower grade as a result. |
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Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Scott, |
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Posted By: Adam Smith
Why did the dealer take the scan down? |
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Posted By: Steve
Interesting question. |
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Posted By: Charlie Barokas
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Posted By: Charlie Barokas
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Posted By: Anonymous
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Posted By: Steve
Well yes Charlie i was implying something or I would not have responded. |
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Posted By: Charlie Barokas
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Posted By: Steve
Charlie |
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Posted By: Charlie Barokas
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Posted By: Paul
"I agree that one must by the card and not the holder". OK, who are you, & what have you done with Charlie? |
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Posted By: Charlie Barokas
I am not sure how to respond to the last question? |
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Posted By: Steve
Charlie |
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Posted By: Steve
Charlie |
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Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Steve, |
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Posted By: Frank Evanov
""I have nothing to hide. Scott or someone before Scott attempted to remove the stain from the back of the card, in doing so they also stired up many of the fibers on the back. I simply removed more of the stain and layed the fibers back down." |
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Posted By: scott ingold
I just got back to this thread and did not see all of the posts before they were edited. But i do want to say for what it's worth that i have dealt with Charlie many time's for some decent amounts of cash and he has alway's been a perfect seller. I do not fault him for this in any way. As far as i'm concered GAI is the one who has some explaining to do. |
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Posted By: Josh K.
This really doesnt surprise me about GAI at all. I sold an SGC 30 E98 Honus Wagner several months ago. I dont recall who the buyer was any longer. What I do know is that the same exact card now sits in Wayne Varner's inventory for sale as a GAI 3. See for yourself (and yes, all those white spots are paperloss). |
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Posted By: James Feagin
Take out the guess work for me. Are you asserting that GAI is being extra-nice to their top submitters, or that a certain grader is getting paid off, or both? |
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Posted By: Josh K.
My assumption is that GAI is playing favorites with their big submitters. |
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Posted By: jackgoodman
Isn't a proper business model that you make sure your best customers get the best service in order to maintain their business? That's how I run my business. |
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Posted By: Chad
Except that card grading is ENTIRELY dependent on the company's reputation. At the heart of their business, reputation is all they have. I would think that a better long term a business model would be to create an unassailable aura of objectivity. Otherwise this whole era of grading is going to come to a quick end and be remembered with embarassment as an unfortunate joke. I'm ambivalent about grading myself, but I hope the service gets better, not worse, because it does have its benefits. |
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Posted By: MANONTHEROCK
Josh, |
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Posted By: Josh K.
I really hope Jack is kidding. Yes, treat your best customers well, but not by giving them preferential grading. IBM doesnt give their best customers better computers than you and I can get, just better pricing, service, etc. |
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Posted By: Robert
GAI is not the only one that does it I see PSA cards fro sale by 707 sportscards and Joe's to big dealers and almost every card I see they post are at least 1 grade higher then they should. It is not fair and grading companies should be completely neutral but the are not. I am sure SGC is just as guilty with their big dealers. That is why you should buy the card and not the holder as stated 1000's of times in this forum. |
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Posted By: Josh K.
Charlie, |
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Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Robert, |
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Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Josh, |
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Posted By: Robert
Charlie, |
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Posted By: jackgoodman
Josh, |
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Posted By: Richard
PSA gives favorable grades to their big dealers. Happens all of the time. Look at 4sharpcorners recent prewar auctions for just a small sample. |
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Posted By: Dean H
Here is one that was on Joe's website and now is on ebay. I believe these to be the same card. I think this happens with all grading companies. |
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Posted By: Wesley
You are absolutely right Dean. The crack-out game is played with all grading companies. Many dealers and many collectors spend a lot of time cracking and resubmitting in order to get bumps in grades. |
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Posted By: Wesley
Here is a link to the Forbes article about Heritage and the coin business. See how many parallels you can draw with our own hobby. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
I recall multiple threads on the subject of quality of grading from the main services with comments that GAI overgrades. I am not surprised to see SGC 2 cards like that Wagner becoming GAI 3 cards. My observation is that GAI-graded cards rarely cross equally to SGC and that SGC cards always cross over to GAI with better grades if cracked out and sent in. IMHO dealers are aware of this and purposely look for undergraded SGC and PSA cards to crack out and send to GAI. For that reason, I usually assume I am getting at least 1/2 grade lower than real in a GAI holder and pay accordingly. |
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Posted By: Rick
At the end of the day, every card will have the highest possible grade regardless of holder. |
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Posted By: dennis
the time is right for a slab & authenticate only "pre war" service. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
We already play the "crack-out" game in cards, have since slabbing started. Nothing new there. I will say that my few auction experiences with Heritage have been good. |
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Posted By: Steve
"At the end of the day, every card will have the highest possible grade regardless of holder." |
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Posted By: scott ingold
My 2 cents for what there worth. I am working on the t206's right now and almost without exception the psa's i buy cross lower to gai holders. Does this happen with other sets ? i don't think so. But for whatever reason psa is pretty lax on the t206's vs gai. I use gai just for this reason as well as there customer service. Which has alway's been great. The same cannot be said for psa. I also truly do believe that psa hands out better grade's to there large submiters. I/We see it all the time on ebay, and i felt that maybe Gai was not falling into that area. |
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Posted By: Joann
I agree with Josh on the issue of not giving better grades to bigger customers under the guise of superior service. |
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Posted By: jeremy wagoner
sometimes i think that, while it's annonymous, when a grader sees a large quantity of high dollar cards come across his desk, he realizes this is not a normal grading session. and maybe, just maybe, he knows to act accordingly. |
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Posted By: Richard
I do believe that some of the variances in the grading, even from the individual graders in each company, can be attributed to "grading the card with certain provisions due to the issue." |
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