psa vs sgc

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Posted By: joe maples

Here are 2 Old Judge cards graded NM, Hanlon by SGC and Brouthers by PSA. I would like to have the Brouthers graded by SGS, but I don't think it would get the NM grade by SGC. The differences in these 2 grading companies is pretty obvious. Any comments. These came out a little fuzzy. Different scans a little better.

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Posted By: Anonymous

...was graded about 4-5 years ago.
so comparing it to current GAI standards is probably more appropriate than current psa standards (which seem to be more of a "craps shoot")

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Posted By: WP

You have to be crazy to buy a high grade significant card that is not in an SGC holder.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

PSA looks trimmed compared to the SGC

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Posted By: Anonymous

Besides those comments, the nm 7 from PSA is just not as nice condition overall.

Joe

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Posted By: Joe_G.

Hello Joe, it is very difficult to say how the Brouthers would grade without seeing far better scans. I have the same pose Brouthers that would grade a legitimate SGC 80-84 but SGC found issue (rightfully so) with small imprint on the back of the card from an old pencil note (initials) that were long ago cleanly erased. I didn't even notice the small indentations on the back until looking at the card closely with light hitting it just so. It graded SGC 50.

Your Hanlon card is a real beauty as well, beautiful dark photo.

I've been meaning to send you some Detroit scans of my own. I'll do so when my 3rd attempt at a good scanner for slabbed cards is a success (crossing fingers).

Regards,
Joe Gonsowski

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Posted By: JimB

It is impossible to give an informed opinion on the grade of these cards based on these scans. For all the criticism of grading companies here, I am surprised to see people jumping to such quick conclusions on grades based on so little evidence.

Border sizes vary quite a bit with OJs, so that one has smaller borders than the other is no indicator on its own that one is trimmed. I have said it before and I will say it again, all three grading companies overgrade Old Judges. I don't know why. Perhaps they feel compelled to cut some slack on such and old and apparently condition-challenged issue.

JimB

P.S. While I don't think the grading companies consider it much when evaluating Old Judges, I think print contrast should be a major consideration for the issue.

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Posted By: Julie

(and other print features) and only looking at the corners, the gloss and the cleanliness of the backs of Old Judges. It's very refreshing to see two Old Judges of excellent quality--as well as can be seen with the blurry scans--in high grade holders of ANY kind!

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Posted By: Anonymous

You may not be able to see the surface and the edges, but you sure can see the centering and the 4 rounded corners.