FS: Rare 1910 E-UNC Ty Cobb -- New Card Added

[calvindog]

Two very rare Ty Cobb cards, both cut from candy boxes. These are two of the eight total graded between SGC and PSA. $12,500 delivered for each one, 20K for both. Email or PM if interested.

[Tomi]

Is card still available?

[joshuabotnick2]

Sold

[calvindog]

Both cards available.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by joshuabotnick2

Sold

Originally Posted by calvindog

Card still available.

[mrreality68]

Great looking card for someone’s collection

[calvindog]

New card added.

[Lunker21]

Looks like one was sold... which one is still available? Thanks!

[brooklynbotter]

Originally Posted by Lunker21

Looks like one was sold... which one is still available? Thanks!

I believe both are available. The red border example was available for months here at a much lower price, then a sale on ebay for >12k led to buyers trying to swoop it up. The seller adjusted his price accordingly and added the blue bordered copy for sale today.

[VintageCardCo]

Not exactly

[Lunker21]

Hmm... something is wierd... I have a screenshot from 9th showing red was sold on 8th ... I grabbed shot (attached) to show a friend that awesome price... did that buyer back out or something?

[maniac_73]

Buyer probably backed out. Calvindog is as legit as they come

[Louisville_Hugger]

Yup…..something stinks on this one. Card was definitely sold for the listed price and now it’s for sale again for 12.5k instead of 3.2k

[joshuabotnick2]

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[Bpm0014]

I’m in a Facebook group and a bunch of people are talking about it. Said the seller sold it then backed out after it was paid for. If that’s the case that’s unfortunate because the seller is a super respected member. I don’t know the whole story though.

[bandrus1]

Pass the 🍿 please

[VintageCardCo]

What appears to have happened is an 18 year old collector had a good deal from a high powered attorney and the kid got screwed over.

[Leon]

Ya'll can say what you want to, in this thread, but you have to obey the rule near the top of every page, concerning your full name, or edit your comment out. Thanks

[notfast]

So was this a case of someone posting “sold” to a 2 month old for sale ad and then seller saying “yeah price has changed” or was there some more communication?

I mean I saw this on Facebook groups by the “buyer” so I’d have assumed nt was paid for and in hand but I guess that wasn’t the case either.

[joshuabotnick2]

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[notfast]

Originally Posted by joshuabotnick2

Hey, I was the one who bought it. I bought the card originally for $3200 ( its original listing price ). The card was paid for for two days, then the deal was backed out of by the seller and relisted for $12.7k (now $12.5k).

Interesting.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by joshuabotnick2

Hey, I was the one who bought it. I bought the card originally for $3200 ( its original listing price ). The card was paid for for two days, then the deal was backed out of by the seller and relisted for $12.7k (now $12.5k).

Yeaaa 2 months later ooookay

[bandrus1]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Yeaaa 2 months later ooookay

Why are you chiming in if you do not know the details? Was payment accepted?

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by bandrus1

Why are you chiming in if you do not know the details? Was payment accepted?

There had been a. RASH of posters with WAY too much time on their hands, reeking of desperation, trolling the bst threads looking for underpriced cards from months back. I had a thread up for a card for 850 and the last sale was 3000. Seems suspicious.

It's hard to cheat and honest man, and a pricing error could have even occurred.

[bandrus1]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

There had been a. RASH of posters with WAY too much time on their hands, reeking of desperation, trolling the bst threads looking for underpriced cards from months back. I had a thread up for a card for 850 and the last sale was 3000. Seems suspicious.

It's hard to cheat and honest man, and a pricing error could have even occurred.

So no, you can't answer the question

[Lorewalker]

Yikes.

This was for sale on 3/1 at 3200 and nobody had any interest, which would imply either everyone is broke, nobody likes the card at any price or the card was priced too high.

The member who posted "sold" might have done so having noticed the sale on eBay for much more for the same card and saw an opportunity to flip the card. Is the card worth 3200 or what it just sold for 2 months later on eBay?

I think a deal was made if the money had been sent and accepted by the seller and the card should have been shipped.

What a week in the hobby...We have a respected auction house who had an auction for cards that could not be sold and now a respected member not honor a sale of a card. Tough time for collectors to take possession of cardboard.

[trambo]

Originally Posted by joshuabotnick2

Hey, I was the one who bought it. I bought the card originally for $3200 ( its original listing price ). The card was paid for for two days, then the deal was backed out of by the seller and relisted for $12.7k (now $12.5k).

Still waiting for you to tell the rest of the story. Sale wasn't blindly cancelled. I saw the card posted in multiple FB groups for sale or trade (for a Mantle). You were trying to flip the card before it was shipped or in hand. My guess is seller saw the posts. You can fill in the blanks from there.

Not saying seller shouldn't have still shipped because a deal is a deal. I am saying that it isn't as simple as you're stating.

Also, here's a link where seller was on your podcast 11 months ago. Draw whatever conclusion you will but I'd guess seller was trying to help you out by doing that. You clearly didn't have his best interest when you saw the card he posted even knowing that he had helped you. Many of us would've (and have) said something to the seller if they're buddies of ours in situations like this. You clearly didn't care.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKwA-FIA0l0

Sorry Josh. You're not in the right on this one, either.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It feels like that old Paul Harvey radio show -- and now you know..... the REST of the story.

[trambo]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It feels like that old Paul Harvey radio show -- and now you know..... the REST of the story.

I doubt I'll be able to get Paul Harvey's voice out of my head now. Real cool.... haha!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by trambo

I doubt I'll be able to get Paul Harvey's voice out of my head now. Real cool.... haha!

American institution. Here's a relatively early photo. Good DAY.

[joshuabotnick2]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

If he gave you permission, why within 30 minutes did you think you had made a mistake and that it would have a bad effect on the seller? This does not make sense to me.

And while you're at it, you might recount the communications that led up to cancellation of the deal.

[joshuabotnick2]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by joshuabotnick2

Because even if he did, it is still not the right thing to do to a friend, I had intended to keep it as a PC Card. I do not want to share private messages, as it is an invasion of privacy;
However when asked if he minded he said it is “my card” and I could do what I want with it.

I am not saying you did anything wrong or that you were not wronged, but you aren't making sense. Obviously something happened that led to this deal not going through. And it seems you're fine sharing private messages when they favor your story.

[calvindog]

Troy, thanks. Josh is someone I had treated like a son, was a friend of my family in California — and he pulled one of the scummiest moves imaginable, just over a few bucks. The money is meaningless to me but the disloyalty and dishonesty is not something I’ll forget.

And Josh, next time you get the urge to ask me to donate to a charity via your fraternity, lose my number. I did it once without a second’s hesitation. You can find another sucker next time.

[joshuabotnick2]

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[Maxjacks]

Originally Posted by joshuabotnick2

Hey Troy, great to hear from you. I posted the card to see if anyone had interest after getting permission to do so by the seller. I asked if he’d mind if I posted, his answer was no, he wouldn’t. With that, I posted on 1 Facebook group (DOND Group). 30 minutes later after acknowledging my mistake and its affect it would have on the seller, I took down it down. That is the rest of the story; I asked for permission to post, got permission, and took it down.

Ps. Thank you for the podcast shoutout

Josh I want to suggest to you again like I did on facebook that you should take a break. You are not doing yourself any favors on here.
I have nothing against resellers in the least but there is a right and wrong way of doing things and I think you missed the boat on this one.

You and Jeff were friends and you told half-truths to him and in my opinion lied through omission about your motives.

You dug up an old thread and Jeff stood by his price which many would not have done on such an old thread. You knew how much the other one sold for when you bought it again Jeff was a friend of yours.
Then you asked him if you could post it for sale while neglecting to tell him again how much it was worth again this is someone you said was your friend.

Then when you posted it in the dond thread you quoted the comp and turned down offers well over what you paid but when people mentioned it you deleted the thread.

You say you were not buying to flip but this all happened because you were so anxious to sell it that Jeff had not even had a chance to ship it.

Again he agreed to sell it and took your money but if you do not honestly see issue with how you treated one of your "Friends" I definitely know I do not wish to be one of your friends. I am sure many others probably feel the same way

The people upset at you are not upset because you are reselling they are upset because of how you conducted yourself.





Max Jackson

[calvindog]

Actually I wasn’t in that fraternity. And you don’t take advantage of a friend, especially a friend who goes out of his way for you, and who treats you the way I treated you. Unless you’re just a greasy scumbag who only cares about money. Your many apologies to me in private are belied by your stance here. I’m sickened by what you did and I’m sickened by you. Hope it was worth it.

[Maxjacks]

Originally Posted by joshuabotnick2

Jeff. You listed a card for a price, I and I bought your card at your listing price. I was going to keep it as a PC Card. Anybody could have bought the card, it was a public listing with a public price.

Your cousin was also in that fraternity and you are also in the same fraternity, hence why I sent it to you. It was also a charity for something that you say you support, israel. There is no issue with sending it to another “brother”.

Please don’t call me a scum acting like you have ethics.

Josh I wasn't going to post again but you can not say that you were going to keep something as a PC card if you tried to sell it so fast that you did not even receive it in the mail yet

[Peter_Spaeth]

Hopefully Josh is not representative of the next generation of the hobby.

[joshuabotnick2]

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[calvindog]

Originally Posted by joshuabotnick2

You calling me while I was with family , at 10pm at night, proceeding to scream profanities, threaten me and my friendships, and flaunt your wealth and power at me while my parents were sitting next to me isn’t a great look either. Especially for someone in your position and someone 4x my age.

Work on your math. It’s as bad as your ethics.

[joshuabotnick2]

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[calvindog]

I’ve been collecting for 40 years and my reputation in this hobby is leaps and bounds better than yours will ever be. There’s a reason why I get hired by so many people on Net 54 and nationally who have criminal and civil issues relating to the hobby and why so man people have messaged me since a few hours ago with Josh cautionary tales. That you actually think what you did was appropriate to a friend is stunning to me. I wouldn’t have done what you did at 18 or 58. You were wrong. And you’re not worth the time to discuss this anymore.

[joshuabotnick2]

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[calvindog]

Originally Posted by joshuabotnick2

Jeff. You sold me a card, you realized you missed out on $10k and you called off the deal. You get hired not only some or the worst people in the hobby (Mastro, Probstein) but also some of the worst people in the world. You are not the saint you’re making yourself out to be.

I know you’re a lawyer, but do not gaslight me just because you realized you missed out on $10k. Not just “a few bucks”.

Enjoy your night Jeff

You’re an idiot. I never represented Mastro or Probstein. And the money means nothing to me as you know. And I’ll say it again: you don’t screw over a friend in this hobby. And if you think denigrating my career is going to win you some points out here, you’re even more delusional than I had thought.

[joshuabotnick2]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

If you offered to call off the deal, why are you making accusations that it was breached?

[joshuabotnick2]

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[Zan]

Originally Posted by joshuabotnick2

Because even if he did, it is still not the right thing to do to a friend, I had intended to keep it as a PC Card. I do not want to share private messages, as it is an invasion of privacy;
However when asked if he minded he said it is “my card” and I could do what I want with it.

Regardless of such, I do not intend to comment on this subject any more. The deal was cancelled, the price was changed and the info is out there. People can form their own opinions. But I am done

I thought you were done but you posted 5 more times after sharing this, so apparently you're knee deep.