Ohtani interpreter

[JustinD]

Not sure why it seems that so many people are launching wild speculations, seems like Ohtani is in the crosshairs sometimes around here.

There is nothing at all reported on even a single bet being on a baseball game of any kind, actually each type has already been reported and listed as international soccer, the NBA, the NFL and college football. I think some folks can't place themselves in the same shoes of someone who speaks as much English living in America as I speak of Japanese if I move to Tokyo tomorrow. If I relied 100% on someone else to take care of every day-to-day for me from bills to groceries, they could easily take advantage.

The way of Japanese is not to throw a person under the bus as the shame of the mistake is more than enough punishment. In America, things take a different turn and the transition of this story seems to start Japanese and quickly turn American for the translator.

If anyone thinks they really need to dump their Ohtanis cheap because they got caught up in TMZ, please let me know. He's going nowhere and this issue will probably leave him smelling like a rose to his Japanese fans that think he handled it honorably in decorum.

If I am wrong, I'll take it...but I am certainly not losing sleep.

[CardPadre]

Maybe he's a generational degenerate, the likes of which we've never seen. Or maybe not at all, only time and facts will tell.

But anyone who thinks they can accurately peg a person with a gambling problem, or the "type" of person, is delusional. All you know is what you've seen and you have not seen it all, no matter what your experience.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

Maybe he's a generational degenerate, the likes of which we've never seen. Or maybe not at all, only time and facts will tell.



But anyone who thinks they can accurately peg a person with a gambling problem, or the "type" of person, is delusional. All you know is what you've seen and you have not seen it all, no matter what your experience.

Well put, but as I understand it, there is less than a 1% chance you are right. Apparently it has to do with the honor system that all Japanese must follow.

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[CardPadre]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Well put, but as I understand it, there is less than a 1% chance you are right. Apparently it has to do with the honor system that all Japanese must follow.

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Indeed.

As for honor, if this turns out not to have been a “theft” and Ohtani had some knowledge of it all he’s going to look like a bit of a turd for not quashing that narrative immediately and letting it exist as the official statement for so long. But if that’s not the case, then no worry. Honor intact.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

Maybe he's a generational degenerate, the likes of which we've never seen. Or maybe not at all, only time and facts will tell.

But anyone who thinks they can accurately peg a person with a gambling problem, or the "type" of person, is delusional. All you know is what you've seen and you have not seen it all, no matter what your experience.

I've lived and breathed gambling for decades. I assure you it is quite possible to peg someone with a gambling problem. I made a living off of figuring out which of my opponents exhibited the telltale symptoms. I'm not delusional. I'm extremely calculated and observant. Ohtani carries himself in the precise opposite manner of a degenerate. I'm not saying he doesn't ever place bets, but he's not a degenerate gambler. I'd bet money on it

[Lobo Aullando]

Considering how backloaded his contract is, I won't take that bet.

Originally Posted by Snowman

I've lived and breathed gambling for decades. I assure you it is quite possible to peg someone with a gambling problem. I made a living off of figuring out which of my opponents exhibited the telltale symptoms. I'm not delusional. I'm extremely calculated and observant. Ohtani carries himself in the precise opposite manner of a degenerate. I'm not saying he doesn't ever place bets, but he's not a degenerate gambler. I'd bet money on it

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I've lived and breathed gambling for decades. I assure you it is quite possible to peg someone with a gambling problem. I made a living off of figuring out which of my opponents exhibited the telltale symptoms. I'm not delusional. I'm extremely calculated and observant. Ohtani carries himself in the precise opposite manner of a degenerate. I'm not saying he doesn't ever place bets, but he's not a degenerate gambler. I'd bet money on it

You cannot possibly know enough about him, unless you know him personally, to be able to say one way or another. What's your exposure to him? You've wetched how he carries himself? Please. Not that you aren't right, but to say you have some special insight is not persuasive.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You cannot possibly know enough about him, unless you know him personally, to be able to say one way or another. What's your exposure to him? You've wetched how he carries himself? Please. Not that you aren't right, but to say you have some special insight is not persuasive.

I don't know him at all. Never met him and don't know anyone who has. But I know degenerate gamblers. They can't help themselves. A degenerate gambler isn't capable of signing the type of contract that he signed with the Dodgers. They don't make prudent decisions. They don't carry themselves with poise. They bathe themselves in shame and it's written all over their faces. Ohtani carries himself with honor. A degenerate gambling addiction is a coping mechanism for someone who is clinically depressed. Ohtani is the polar opposite of someone like that. You don't have to know him personally to observe these traits or to learn about the types of decisions he makes in life that preclude him from someone who fits the degenerate gambling profile. Most of them are also alcoholics.

Again, I'm not saying he doesn't gamble to some extent. I have no idea if he does or not. I'm just saying he's not a degenerate if so. You're free to disagree all you want. I don't really care. I'm just sharing my opinion and I'm confident in my reads of people.

[packs]

From that article it is still clear that there isn’t a criminal investigation being conducted by any known law enforcement agency.

Still doesn’t seem like the central question has been answered: did anyone steal anything from anyone?

$4.5 million dollars is a lot of cash, plus all that wire fraud if the wires weren't from Ohtani himself. Seems like someone would have an interest if a crime occurred.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I don't know him at all. Never met him and don't know anyone who has. But I know degenerate gamblers. They can't help themselves. A degenerate gambler isn't capable of signing the type of contract that he signed with the Dodgers. They don't make prudent decisions. They don't carry themselves with poise. They bathe themselves in shame and it's written all over their faces. Ohtani carries himself with honor. A degenerate gambling addiction is a coping mechanism for someone who is clinically depressed. Ohtani is the polar opposite of someone like that. You don't have to know him personally to observe these traits or to learn about the types of decisions he makes in life that preclude him from someone who fits the degenerate gambling profile. Most of them are also alcoholics.

Again, I'm not saying he doesn't gamble to some extent. I have no idea if he does or not. I'm just saying he's not a degenerate if so. You're free to disagree all you want. I don't really care. I'm just sharing my opinion and I'm confident in my reads of people.

The issue is whether he gambled or not, not whether he is a "degenerate" gambler, as you acknowledge. So why is that even relevant? And clinical depression is not necessarily obvious from public demeanor either.

[pclpads]

Face it. The interp had a dick job and pissed it all away due to greed. Maybe if he cuts Manfred's grass for the next 100 years he'll get a pass?

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The issue is whether he gambled or not, not whether he is a "degenerate" gambler, as you acknowledge. So why is that even relevant? And clinical depression is not necessarily obvious from public demeanor either.

Because he would have to be a true degenerate gambler to have placed any wagers that would jeopardize his baseball career.

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by JustinD

Not sure why it seems that so many people are launching wild speculations, seems like Ohtani is in the crosshairs sometimes around here.

There is nothing at all reported on even a single bet being on a baseball game of any kind, actually each type has already been reported and listed as international soccer, the NBA, the NFL and college football. I think some folks can't place themselves in the same shoes of someone who speaks as much English living in America as I speak of Japanese if I move to Tokyo tomorrow. If I relied 100% on someone else to take care of every day-to-day for me from bills to groceries, they could easily take advantage.

The way of Japanese is not to throw a person under the bus as the shame of the mistake is more than enough punishment. In America, things take a different turn and the transition of this story seems to start Japanese and quickly turn American for the translator.

If anyone thinks they really need to dump their Ohtanis cheap because they got caught up in TMZ, please let me know. He's going nowhere and this issue will probably leave him smelling like a rose to his Japanese fans that think he handled it honorably in decorum.

If I am wrong, I'll take it...but I am certainly not losing sleep.

Justin, I lived and worked in Japan for about 7 years, so I wish you luck in your new life in Nippon. It is a fascinating country in so many ways, Westernized in so many respects but a culture still steeped in the Samurai culture.
Try to take a few Japanese language lessons. Even if primitive, a few words in Japanese can melt the ice.

[gonefishin]

Just wondering why this thread isn't moved to the Watercooler section, as this is exactly what this thread is about.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Justin, I lived and worked in Japan for about 7 years, so I wish you luck in your new life in Nippon. It is a fascinating country in so many ways, Westernized in so many respects but a culture still steeped in the Samurai culture.
Try to take a few Japanese language lessons. Even if primitive, a few words in Japanese can melt the ice.

I LOVE Japan. Tokyo is hands down my favorite city.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by JustinD

Not sure why it seems that so many people are launching wild speculations, seems like Ohtani is in the crosshairs sometimes around here.

There is nothing at all reported on even a single bet being on a baseball game of any kind, actually each type has already been reported and listed as international soccer, the NBA, the NFL and college football. I think some folks can't place themselves in the same shoes of someone who speaks as much English living in America as I speak of Japanese if I move to Tokyo tomorrow. If I relied 100% on someone else to take care of every day-to-day for me from bills to groceries, they could easily take advantage.

The way of Japanese is not to throw a person under the bus as the shame of the mistake is more than enough punishment. In America, things take a different turn and the transition of this story seems to start Japanese and quickly turn American for the translator.

If anyone thinks they really need to dump their Ohtanis cheap because they got caught up in TMZ, please let me know. He's going nowhere and this issue will probably leave him smelling like a rose to his Japanese fans that think he handled it honorably in decorum.

If I am wrong, I'll take it...but I am certainly not losing sleep.

Well said

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by JustinD

Not sure why it seems that so many people are launching wild speculations.

Because, sadly, that is the world that the internet has created.