Greg Morris - Trimmed Card? Proper Response?

[parkplace33]

Unfortunately, GM doesn’t care.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Unfortunately, GM doesn’t care.

At this point does anyone care? Why does every card have to be graded? That's all we hear what grade will it grade will it grade...crap just buy it and keep it raw or if you think it's trimmed don't buy it! Why do so many people need vindications from the TPG's? Let it go.

[Joe Hunter]

Jim: Essentially, the seller of the card doesn't think it is trimmed, but you have provided evidence that there is a chance that it is. I would just move on if the possibility of owning a trimmed card is not your thing. I don't think Greg's response was bad; hopefully, he was just being honest in his assessment, right or wrong.

[STL1944]

Originally Posted by Joe Hunter

Jim: Essentially, the seller of the card doesn't think it is trimmed, but you have provided evidence that there is a chance that it is. I would just move on if the possibility of owning a trimmed card is not your thing. I don't think Greg's response was bad; hopefully, he was just being honest in his assessment, right or wrong.

After looking at the card, I was not planning on bidding on it. I was more concerned about the community and someone spending over $1k for a trimmed card.

I have and will continue to buy cards from GM, however, I will be much more "buyer beware" in the future.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

At this point does anyone care? Why does every card have to be graded? That's all we hear what grade will it grade will it grade...crap just buy it and keep it raw or if you think it's trimmed don't buy it! Why doe so many people need vindications from the TPG's? Let it go.

Amen. Same goes for autographs, or any other pastime that requires detailed knowledge in order to wade through its perils somewhat safely. If you are unwilling or unable to put in the work to become your own primary reference guide, go catch butterflies.

[Yoda]

While I believe GM offers a great opportunity to those collecting raw cards or buying raw cards to be graded (think dollars) and I have bought from them multiple times, they do miss the grading mark from time to time.

Many might remember last year when I purchased a '49 Bowman Spahn GM graded exmt but was rejected by Ebay, under their authentication program, as not being fit for such a grade. Ebay was correct and I was refunded the purchase price.

[Snapolit1]

I'm definitely sympathetic to a seller moving a significant bulk of cards every month like GM. I am sure there is no shortage of emails coming in the door that something is suspected by someone of being trimmed or worse. If you are selling raw cards I think its buyer beware, and if you don't like the look of something steer clear. I don't think a seller needs to engage with the buying community en masse everytime someone raises an issue about something. Many times even on this board, with people as knowlgeable as they are, there is substantial good faith disageement as to what is trimmed, authentic, etc.

[BobbyStrawberry]

I have also noticed a number of his raw t206 listings that are clearly trimmed but do not indicate it. I take it as a good sign when sellers are upfront about that, as many here do on the bst when selling trimmed cards.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

I have also noticed a number of his raw t206 listings that are clearly trimmed but do not indicate it. I take it as a good sign when sellers are upfront about that, as many here do on the bst when selling trimmed cards.

+1

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Yoda

While I believe GM offers a great opportunity to those collecting raw cards or buying raw cards to be graded (think dollars) and I have bought from them multiple times, they do miss the grading mark from time to time.



Many might remember last year when I purchased a '49 Bowman Spahn GM graded exmt but was rejected by Ebay, under their authentication program, as not being fit for such a grade. Ebay was correct and I was refunded the purchase price.

Yes, I remember that. That was a hoot.

You were cussing out ebay, all the TPGs and GM besides, and then as it turned out, funds had been refunded and were sitting in your bank account.

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[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Yes, I remember that. That was a hoot.

You were cussing out ebay, all the TPGs and GM besides, and then as it turned out, funds had been refunded and were sitting in your bank account.

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Al, too true, and I felt like such a jerk after all my bellowing.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Al, too true, and I felt like such a jerk after all my bellowing.

It's happened to us all, some more than once.

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[benge610]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

If you are unwilling or unable to put in the work to become your own primary reference guide, go catch butterflies.

Love this.
My credo.

Personal statement;
I don't need a grading service/authenticator; to tell me something, I should already know. Part of my passion for my hobby.
Raw, Rules!

Ben

"I love baseball history backstory; especially when it involves cards."

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

When I was a younger man and had yet to make the acquaintance of many other (autograph) collectors, it was my ignorant assumption that anyone could become as learned in the hobby as they wished, provided they put in the time and effort. The "10,000 hours" concept had yet to become a thing or gain mainstream popularity. Going down life's road a piece, I was to learn that there are some collectors who have spent the better portions of their long lives immersed in the hobby--and they still can't buy basic clues! It turns out that the 10,000 Hour Rule does not apply to any facet of sportscard/autograph/memorabilia collecting. It would only be of assistance if a person possesses an innate aptitude for it. You either have it or you don't.

Frankly, the 10,000 Hour Rule is hogwash. I've spent far more than 10,000 hours playing the piano. Am I a more skilled player than most people in the world? Probably, but most people on the planet don't spend that many hours playing the piano. I will always be far inferior to any professionals. I could never make a living at it, and even another 10,000 hours could do nothing to change that. My natural aptitude only allows me to get so far.

[EddieP]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

When I was a younger man and had yet to make the acquaintance of many other (autograph) collectors, it was my ignorant assumption that anyone could become as learned in the hobby as they wished, provided they put in the time and effort. The "10,000 hours" concept had yet to become a thing or gain mainstream popularity. Going down life's road a piece, I was to learn that there are some collectors who have spent the better portions of their long lives immersed in the hobby--and they still can't buy basic clues! It turns out that the 10,000 Hour Rule does not apply to any facet of sportscard/autograph/memorabilia collecting. It would only be of assistance if a person possesses an innate aptitude for it. You either have it or you don't.

Frankly, the 10,000 Hour Rule is hogwash. I've spent far more than 10,000 hours playing the piano. Am I a more skilled player than most people in the world? Probably, but most people on the planet don't spend that many hours playing the piano. I will always be far inferior to any professionals. I could never make a living at it, and even another 10,000 hours could do nothing to change that. My natural aptitude only allows me to get so far.

You described the Dunning-Kruger Effect.